Saturday, August 02, 2008

Catholic-Anglican relations reach new low over women bishops

From the Times Online: Bear in mind, when it says "Anglican priestly orders," it means the Canterbury Communion with its women "bishops." Perhaps we should call them bishoppettes. Here are a few excerpts.

The Roman Catholic Church has finally ended all hope that Anglican priestly orders will ever be recognised as valid.

In an address to the Lambeth Conference of 670 Anglican bishops from around the world, the cardinal who heads the Council for Christian Unity said the dialogue between Anglicans and Catholics would be irrevocably "changed" as a result of the ordination of women and the recent vote to go ahead with consecrating women bishops.

Cardinal Walter Kasper also reiterated the Vatican's stance that homosexuality is a "disordered" condition.

In a well-attended closed session at the conference at the University of Kent University, Canterbury, Cardinal Kasper said relations between the two churches are now deeply compromised. He urged bishops to consider their shared inheritance, which he said was "worthy of being consulted and protected."...

The Cardinal told bishops: "I know many of you are worried, some also deeply, about the threat of fragmentation within the Anglican Communion. We are deeply sympathetic with you because we are also worried and saddened when we ask ourselves, ‘In this scenario, which form will the Anglican Communion take tomorrow tomorrow, and who will be our interlocutor?'”

He said the Catholic position on women priests and homosexuality was well-known but he wanted to offer further reflections in the light of the dialogue between the two churches, done under the umbrella for many years of the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission, or Arcic. ...

According to this translation, the Cardinal said: "Although our dialogue has led to a significant agreement on the idea of priesthood, the ordination of women to the episcopate blocks substantially and finally a possible recognition of Anglican orders by the Catholic Church."

When the Cardinal addressed the Church of England's House of Bishops in 2006, he said the decision to ordain women represents a departure from the common position of all the Churches of the first millennium, not only of the Catholic Church but also of the Eastern Churches and Orthodox.

You can read the whole article here. Again, this is not relevant to Continuing Anglicans, and Rome knows that very well.


Anonymous said...

One has to respect the fact that the
Pope and leadership in Rome respects and stands firm for the all male clergy. They are to be credited with their firm stand on
scripture and tradition.

Here in the U.S., however, I've met
and known many Roman priests. I have
not yet met a Roman priest that doesn't SUPPORT women's ordination to
the priesthood. I have too many Roman
Catholic friends (laity in the RC) to
count actually. All of them support
women's ordination wholeheartedly.
They think we Continuing Anglicans
to be some sort of crazy, mysogynistic, old-fashioned radicals. Oh well, they are certainly entitled to their opinion....but I always point out that their Pope agrees with US.

I have to wonder if there will ever be a day when the American RCC
splits with Rome?

It seems that many American RCs have more in common with the Episcopal
Church than they do with Rome.

1928 BCP Supporter

Fr. John said...

1928 BCP Supporter,

How right you are!

Canon Tallis said...

Could the support of American Roman clergy and laity have anything to do with the sometimes only too plain orientation of those gentlemen? I had thought what I found on the west Coast as the common situation of Roman clergy would be different in the Great Plains. That has not been the case to my disappointment.

On the other hand, the Roman Church could improve the quality of their clergy by following what Anglicanism did at the Reformation. A married priesthood and episcopate, highly recommended by St Paul by the way, could solve more than one of their recruitment and deployment problems. It would certainly be better than importing them from third world countries and then effectively losing them to the military.