tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post9026343145614089918..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: The Awful Gravity of LogicFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-86523215358402027592007-11-16T15:48:00.000-05:002007-11-16T15:48:00.000-05:00At the risk of being viewed as "Johnny-one-note," ...At the risk of being viewed as "Johnny-one-note," we need to be clear on every--every--opportunity to point out the problem until they fix it, or, sadly more likely, boot us from their little protestant club, that, ahem: <BR/><BR/><B><I>If you hadn't left Apostolic Order in 1978, you wouldn't have these problems now.</I></B><BR/><BR/>They <I>hate</I> hearing it, I know. I have spoken with people in the latest wave of departures about why they make up something new when the Catholic Faith and Apostolic Order is available in the continuing church, and they say without hesitation, "We wanted to use the 79 BCP and be part of a body that ordains women."<BR/><BR/>When you point out--gently--that a practicing homosexual bishop is at least a valid bishop, whereas a female of any belief can never be a bishop, priest, or deacon, they shut down. You get the polite smile reserved for loony cultists.<BR/><BR/>I just hope they learn the truth before they have to learn it in Purgatory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-37046426620595041992007-11-16T12:03:00.000-05:002007-11-16T12:03:00.000-05:00So those that approve of and support "women's ordi...So those that approve of and support "women's ordination" and claim to be orthodox are really just fooling themselves.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, it is exceedingly difficult to persuade those caught up in false egalitarianism.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218434053331256206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-31798152880183392602007-11-16T10:23:00.000-05:002007-11-16T10:23:00.000-05:00Exactly the point I've tried to make with a Networ...Exactly the point I've tried to make with a Network priest in my town. He's a no-longer-retired former-ECUSA priest, a pleasant person, and asmirable in many ways,<BR/>but, having remained an ECUS loyalist for so many years, he just doesn't get it. After the Robinson consecration he led the parish in which he was Interim out of ECUSA, actually over the sole issue of homosexualism, but, when I tried to trace the sources of THAT error back to WO, he told me, flat out, "That's ridiculous!" and quickly changed the subject. Most of his people refuse even to visit our services, simply because we have done that unforgivable thing of rejecting WO. Sorry, it's like hanging on a life rope halfway down a cliff while an enemy above is busuily sawing through the rope.<BR/><BR/>I'm a member of ACA, and thus if a jurisdiction with connections to FACA and through that to Common Cause. I believe Fr. Hart has described that relationship accurately. We are not in sacramental. ecclesiatical union with those bodies, but rather are there to bear witness to somethg they need beyond what they have preserved. Real unity cannot come until that has been achieved. Meanwhile, they need to hear.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-80265317275417575972007-11-16T02:09:00.000-05:002007-11-16T02:09:00.000-05:00I quite agree. There are some who ignore the commu...I quite agree. There are some who ignore the communion-breaking event but think themselves to be upholding Christian orthodoxy by indulging in a prurient obsession with other people's sins. It's a bit like trying to cure a brain tumour with headache powders--after a while not even symptomatic relief will be possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-3286763899166813542007-11-15T17:13:00.000-05:002007-11-15T17:13:00.000-05:00From what I know, Common Cause is not a church com...From what I know, Common Cause is not a church communion in any sense, but more of a trade association. So, having strong ties with them does not constitute a compromise. But, any relationship with them should be for the purpose of enlightening them, which takes patience and humility.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-33621351573876093232007-11-15T16:17:00.000-05:002007-11-15T16:17:00.000-05:00What a spectacularly good essay!Thank you, Fr Robe...What a spectacularly good essay!<BR/><BR/>Thank you, Fr Robert.David Chisletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270108117063682909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-32049482785097861162007-11-15T15:19:00.000-05:002007-11-15T15:19:00.000-05:00Dear Fr, Hart, you are NOT alone and you aren't in...Dear Fr, Hart, you are NOT alone and you aren't in a "movement". You are a member of the Body of Christ and as such know the Truth. We can't expect the lost world to know the Reality of God's order in creation, much less the order of the new creation.<BR/><BR/>Breaking with the Cantuarian elite over the issue of women in the priesthood was good and right. Holding the line when surrounding by secular humanists is very difficult. The Truth will come out and one day all with see.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-65466903547283468552007-11-15T12:22:00.000-05:002007-11-15T12:22:00.000-05:00Bravo!, Fr. Hart.You have put precisely and concis...Bravo!, Fr. Hart.<BR/><BR/>You have put precisely and concisely why the real Continuing Churches cannot be members of the Common Cause Partners, as that partnership is presently constituted, and why those who are members of that as it now stands, and despite what some of them say, are not, in fact, Continuing Churches.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, however, we need to be in communication with these people. Unless we talk with them, we cannot witness to them and thereby attempt to show them how confused and self-defeating some of their thinking is.<BR/><BR/>This article would make a wonderful tract to put in their hands as part of that process of witness.<BR/><BR/>John A. Hollister+John A. Hollisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325615323834517909noreply@blogger.com