tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post687801672220372142..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: The Continuum, the TAC and RomeFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-5150976077636441102007-10-17T22:38:00.000-04:002007-10-17T22:38:00.000-04:00Mr. "Anonymous"I consider it extremely bad manners...Mr. "Anonymous"<BR/><BR/>I consider it extremely bad manners to throw such a sneeringly negative comment at someone without troubling to give even a pseudonym.<BR/><BR/>If it were not for your tone, and your anonymity, I'd be open to discuss the issue, as, while I am thoroughly unsympathetic to the attitude you show, perusal of my posts would show that I do indeed regard some of what you say as having substance.<BR/><BR/>However, discussion, under these circumstances, is not called for.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-19069368691262816332007-10-17T17:00:00.000-04:002007-10-17T17:00:00.000-04:00"So, it's now in Rome's hands. We've done everythi..."So, it's now in Rome's hands. We've done everything we can, except to pray, and fast, and wait.<BR/><BR/>Michael"<BR/><BR/>...except make peace with your own brethren in the Continuum and present a united orthodox Anglicanism to the Holy See and the successor of Peter. <BR/><BR/>How much more wonderful it would've been to hear from the TAC that the Bishops wanted to actively seek "full, corporate and sacramental communion" with their own folk.<BR/><BR/>It's a disgrace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-23835713174090903662007-10-16T11:37:00.000-04:002007-10-16T11:37:00.000-04:00OK, so we went and done it (so to speak)... there'...OK, so we went and done it (so to speak)... there's a short statement on the Messenger website, saying that the College of Bishops (and Vicars General) solemnly signed a statement requesting unity with the Holy See, and that it was presented by two bishops to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at the Vatican, and that they've agreed to wait until the Vatican responds before granting interviews.<BR/><BR/>So, it's now in Rome's hands. We've done everything we can, except to pray, and fast, and wait.<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603402422216696381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-22928129267735578622007-10-16T10:08:00.000-04:002007-10-16T10:08:00.000-04:00We finally have a statement form hepworth on the T...We finally have a statement form hepworth on the TAC synod quote in The Chalenger:<BR/><BR/>"16th October 2007<BR/>Statement authorised by the TAC Primate<BR/>" The College of Bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) met in Plenary Session in Portsmouth, England, in the first week of October 2007. The Bishops and Vicars-General unanimously agreed to the text of a letter to the See of Rome seeking full, corporate, sacramental union. The letter was signed solemnly by all the College and entrusted to the Primate and two bishops chosen by the College to be presented to the Holy See.<BR/>The letter was cordially received at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Primate of the TAC has agreed that no member of the College will give interviews until the Holy See has considered the letter and responded."<BR/>+ John"<BR/><BR/>This is quite a bold move and seems ot justify both the delay and the code of silence. If I understand correctly, Hepworth and two other bishops brought the synod's proposal to Rome personally.<BR/><BR/>IrenicistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-5609509393941862722007-10-14T04:41:00.000-04:002007-10-14T04:41:00.000-04:00Strike "within" and read "among" in my previous co...Strike "within" and read "among" in my previous comment, 2nd last paragraph.Fr Matthew Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386951752314314095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-48132514205595445982007-10-14T04:40:00.000-04:002007-10-14T04:40:00.000-04:00Albion,The kind of comments to which I referred we...Albion,<BR/><BR/>The kind of comments to which I referred were, for example:<BR/><BR/>"unless there is an intent to stir up controversy (Ooh, ooh, you'd better watch out, the papists are coming to get you!)"<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>"do we all simply like conspiracy theories and gossip about things which may or may not come to pass, particularly when we think we can score a few points on, or <B>rustle some sheep from</B>, those with identical origins, theology and sacraments?" [emphasis added]<BR/><BR/>and <BR/><BR/>"What exactly was the post trying to induce or to provoke or attempt?"<BR/><BR/>As Ed notes, it is sad that there is so much suspicion and willingness to interpret what is written in the least charitable manner. It happens on all sides, of course, and not just within the Continuing Anglicans, certainly. But it is sad.<BR/><BR/>May God have mercy on us all.Fr Matthew Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386951752314314095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-16688519124190117482007-10-12T13:13:00.000-04:002007-10-12T13:13:00.000-04:00Good grief... I'm not sure I picked up on that hin...Good grief... I'm not sure I picked up on that hint of TAC bashing, and my goodness, I am pretty hardcore TAC after all, and a big fan of His Grace ++JAH (BTW, do you notice that his initials spell one of the names of God?). :-)<BR/><BR/>If I didn't notice it, it must not have been there...Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603402422216696381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-73311634648313117672007-10-12T10:57:00.000-04:002007-10-12T10:57:00.000-04:00Why. oh why. do we of the Continuing Churches seem...Why. oh why. do we of the Continuing Churches seem to spend so much time sniping at each other? We do have our differences, but aren't we all on the same "side"? Can't we somehow find a way to support each other in the cause of Christ, even as we are working to solve these disagreements?<BR/><BR/>The ways in which I am in less than 100% agreement with ACC are well known, and I don't hesitate to speak of them <I>when it is appropriate</I>, and yet, I find myself often appalled at the depth of negativity toward ACC that I hear from members and clergy of my own jurisidiction. It's wrong, just as wrong as the accusations of betrayal I've heard from the other "side". We aren't enemies -- or at least we are not allowed, by our common Lord, to be enemies. The same is true as between us and the Roman See, or Orthodoxy. We are on the same side, regardless of the differences we need to work out. Let's put our efforts into working them out and stop this endemic badmouthing and suspicion.<BR/><BR/>The four of us, with our three different jurisdictional connections are trying hard to do just this. I look for the same spirit from our commenters as well. This is a place for good manners, and for an open airing of differences, <B>for the sake of finding ways to come together</B>, not for the sake of condemning one another.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-63989771174017933102007-10-12T06:31:00.000-04:002007-10-12T06:31:00.000-04:00Thanks for your comment, Matthew.An additional poi...Thanks for your comment, Matthew.<BR/><BR/>An additional point. In my perhaps too hasty reading of some of the comments, I missed any claims, or insinuations, that there was a move afoot here to "steal sheep" from the TAC for the ACC.<BR/><BR/>If such a statement was made, I can only call it preposterous. Anyone who is remotely familiar with this blog should be well aware that one of its underlying principles is that of intra-CC ecumenism. One of our primary goals is to seek the full organic unity of all those jurisdictions who adhere to the Affirmation of St Louis.<BR/><BR/>But our tactic, and remember we come from three different jursidictions, is not to achieve this by sucking dry any of them to the benefit of any other. It is, instead, to promote and foster growing ties among them, such as we have seen evidence of in recent months.<BR/><BR/>Not too long ago, we were the target of those who accused us of ACC-bashing. Now there are those who accuse us of TAC-bashing. There's a time-honoured adage in journalism, where matters of balance and fairness are concerned: if everybody criticises you, then you must be getting something right.Albion Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14423168351697120421noreply@blogger.com