tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post4275440879944330550..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Post Script, Septuagesima- High and LowFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-86525134962593837622007-03-27T22:11:00.000-04:002007-03-27T22:11:00.000-04:00"Post Script, Septuagesima- High and LowI hate to ..."Post Script, Septuagesima- High and Low<BR/><BR/>I hate to disagree with my fellow APCKers but St Athanasius is not "High Church". <BR/><BR/>Having had discusions with the Archbishop personally he agrees that "High" does not work well in Virginia and has given us his blessing. Sorry to shatter your assumptions!<BR/><BR/>Frankly we feel it is silly to do cathedral churchmanship in a small country parish regardless of any connection to theology- the lectionary and hymnody are quite capable anyway so why be redundant, especially if the seetting is not accommodating? And if you are a mission operating out of a VFW 'smells and bells' is downright goofy- the incense would likely get you kicked out of temporary quarters.<BR/><BR/>We have purchased property and are on the way to building out a small temporary sanctuary but there will be no monsterances I assure you.<BR/><BR/>Virginians have been doing Anglican far longer than any of ya so there! ;>}<BR/><BR/>We are always glad to 'cense' a good cigar though.<BR/><BR/>Pax,<BR/><BR/>JohnDustin Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316818778798854238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-78071971014173011042007-02-08T06:59:00.000-05:002007-02-08T06:59:00.000-05:00The teaching of the holy catholic faith is much mo...The teaching of the holy catholic faith is much more important that what the priest wears. I'm trying not to bring up a "touchy" subject, but I think the vestments worn by the celebrant shouldn't look feminine. Cassock, surplice, & stole or tippet was very popular in times past in England, and I believe still looks quite appropriate. A white Alb with Chasuble and accompanying vestments is equally nice in their traditional, elegant forms. Some of these modern chasubles look like panchos,not vestments.(I expect the wearer to try to sell me tortilla chips at any minute.There are a lot of these "Panchos" in Roman Churches.) I just don't care for a priest (or members of the Altar party) in excessive lace, etc.ACC Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427983663787892734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-41179749845373332712007-02-07T20:25:00.000-05:002007-02-07T20:25:00.000-05:00Salome,
That splendid image is of Dr. Pusey celebr...Salome,<br />That splendid image is of Dr. Pusey celebrating the last Mass in the Margaret Chapel. And, he did not adopt the ritualist trappings (a whole different movement from the Tractarian)--nor did Newman, for that matter, until late in his career.<br /><br />Poetreader reiterates Dr. Pusey's views--Pusey who is reputed to have been unacquainted with what a cope was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-3453559011004152142007-02-07T14:12:00.000-05:002007-02-07T14:12:00.000-05:00I remember a picture in the archives of Pusey Hous...I remember a picture in the archives of Pusey House, Oxford, showing the last Mass at the Margaret Chapel before its demolition (sorry, forget the date, but 19th century anyway). It showed priest, deacon and subdeacon arranged on the steps before the altar, all looking splendidly catholic--in surplice, scarf and hood. Dressing up wasn't the immediate Oxford Movement priority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-17803691533142928972007-02-07T06:42:00.000-05:002007-02-07T06:42:00.000-05:00I agree with Poetreader. The fancy ornaments are ...I agree with Poetreader. The fancy ornaments are lovely. But not every parish or mission has them or can afford them. The 1928 BCP is a catholic document, and is high church by its very language, even if the priest wears cassock, surplice and tippet. I've always liked the old-fashioned term that we Anglicans are "prayerbook catholics." There was a discussion on the tern on another blog recently, where some seemed to give it other meanings. But to me it simply means a faithful catholic Anglican who follows the catholic faith as taught in the BCP.ACC Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427983663787892734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-89740348714594255182007-02-07T00:16:00.000-05:002007-02-07T00:16:00.000-05:00I thoroughly dislike the use of the terms "high ch...I thoroughly dislike the use of the terms "high church" and "low church" as they miss the point. All the traditional trappings and ceremonial in the world cannot make a heretic into a Catholic. I've often said that I'd choose a celebration in surplice and black stole in a place where Catholic teaching was solidly maintained than the most splendid and accurately done solemn high Mass where heresy was taught. Yes, the traditional trappings are highly desirable, but it is the Faith that defines Catholicity.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-49513665851753808282007-02-06T11:29:00.000-05:002007-02-06T11:29:00.000-05:00The terms Low Mass and Low Church should never be ...The terms Low Mass and Low Church should never be confused. <i>The Spirit of the Liturgy</i>, by Joseph Ratzinger- now Pope Benedict XVI- correctly defines a Low Mass as a simple spoken Mass without music. Frankly, it takes an Anglo-Catholic mind to do such a Mass in any Anglican Church. We do more Low Masses than High Masses if we do weekday Masses regulary.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-21533045781869461042007-02-06T07:03:00.000-05:002007-02-06T07:03:00.000-05:00I'm an organist in the ACC. "All Things Bright and...I'm an organist in the ACC. "All Things Bright and Beautiful" is in the 1940 Episcopal Hymnal which is what the ACC uses. Doesn't APCK use it as well? Visit the organist after mass, they usually have some input into hymns, or better yet, ask the Rector. I've never known a Rector to not honor a hymn request from the hymnal. In addition to my former post (unbelievable I forgot this actually), its pretty much impossible to have a sung mass without an organist (and either a good cantor or choir to lead the mass responses, etc.)The lack of organist or cantor might necessitate spoken mass. I still think a respectful, spoken mass can be truly catholic.ACC Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427983663787892734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-28727720723260410522007-02-05T21:38:00.000-05:002007-02-05T21:38:00.000-05:00"The problem is, the APCK simply does not do Low C..."The problem is, the APCK simply does not do Low Church."<br /><br />Damn straight! Just saw the good Archbishop an hour ago at Evensong. He would agree 100%.<br /><br />....Though it would be nice to sing "All Thing Bright and Beautiful" once in a while.Arturo Vasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09674281914540496859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-74903241196784940912007-02-05T19:07:00.000-05:002007-02-05T19:07:00.000-05:00The 1928 Book of Common Prayer is, in my humble op...The 1928 Book of Common Prayer is, in my humble opinion, in itself a high church book. All of the offices and the communion service are indeed high church. The Ornaments Rubric in the 1549 BCP indicated that the Anglican Church was to be high church. Visitors in the courts of Elizabeth I commented that the services were more flashy than the Roman Church. How High Church you are going to be, depends on how big the parish is, however. A parish with one priest can't do a solemn high mass. A small parish with no young boys to serve as Altar boys may find a processional with crucifer, thurifer, and torch bearers impossible. But just because a parish is small and isn't able to do all the "bells and smells" of high church, diesn't mean that they can't be good Anglican Catholics. I think being as high church as possible in each particular situation is an excellent idea. But, I don't feel a simple, spoken low mass invalidates the holy catholic faith, especially when a high mass isn't possible because of lack of personnel, etc.ACC Memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427983663787892734noreply@blogger.com