tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post1913809371137120390..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Anglican Catholicism and the CharismataFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-67456686066551843782019-06-26T08:43:03.284-04:002019-06-26T08:43:03.284-04:00I am a born Anglo Catholic and in 1977 at age 37, ...I am a born Anglo Catholic and in 1977 at age 37, I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with no knowledge whatsoever of it. The Lord THEN sent me to others to learn what it was all about and to teach me the reason I was chosen. When the tongues came - it scared me - I thought I was going insane until I heard a RC priest praying in the very same tongue as I was praying at the same time. The Lord then put into my hand John Sherrill's book ' They Speak in Other Tongues" and also the book "Nine O Clock in the Morning". From then on - I was ready to do the work God had given me to do !<br /><br />Myrna Swyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12204813339386352559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-63104345382344865562009-04-25T20:25:00.000-04:002009-04-25T20:25:00.000-04:00Dcn Steve,
I do relate to your quest. It's also ...Dcn Steve,<br /><br />I do relate to your quest. It's also mine. I'm going to make a few rather tentative observations, related to how these gifts seem to manifest in and around me in a Catholic environment.<br /><br />St. Paul says that he spoke much in tongues, but nonetheless seems rather unfavorable toward the use of this gift in the public service. He seems more to allow its continued use in a restricted manner than to encourage it. He seems however to have prayed much in tongues. I pray quietly in tongues basically off and on all day long. I have used tongues and/or interpretation in smaller and less formal environments, always encouraging those present to discuss what was said scripturally.<br /><br />Prophecy and the words of wisdom and knowledge are an essential part of truly anointed preaching, teaching, or counseling, and need never be identified as a specific supernatural gift. The written Word and the ongoing teaching (Tradition) of the Church always serve as a check on such gifts.<br /><br />Lay persons teaching or advising can also often count on the Spirit to minister through them in these gifts. I am not ordained, but I seek to be so used and think I sometimes have been.<br /><br />Healing is a specific charism of ordination, but also a gift exercised by devout lay persons, as witness the lives of so many unordained saints.<br /><br />In short, the Gifts of the Spirit are seldom flashy, amazing, or out of the ordinary, but rather are those faculties that the Spirit gives to those who are doing God's will, in the course of their doing it.<br /><br />The end of Mark's Gospel (which I do believe to be authentic) is worth considering. Some cultish groups have taken these verses to justify deliberately handling rattlesnakes in church, and deliberately drinking poison, as some sort of test of faith. Nonsense! St. Paul was going about his business of spreading the Gospel when he was bitten by a snake and did not die. He did not seek out snakes to handle. Legend presents St. John as being given a poisoned cup to drink, again, as he was going about his business, and did not die. He did not deliberately seek it out. I'm convinced that all the gifts likewise manifest as they are needed in the ordinary course of ministry.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-56437797350553981142009-04-25T12:48:00.000-04:002009-04-25T12:48:00.000-04:00I have run into people who are completely afraid o...I have run into people who are completely afraid of the gift of prophecy. As if God has stopped talking to his people.<br /><br />I, too, like Ed, came from a Charismatic background. In fact, I am fully ordained through that background, and if I wanted to leave the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and go back to an imperfect church, I could start my own church and be fully credentialed. But that's tooting my own horn too much.<br /><br />I believe in the gifts of the spirit, and that they enhance the worship of the church. Tongues is a gift that is often misunderstood even by those who use it. The one form (often called Prayer Language) is the personal type, which is edifying only to the soul of the one using it. The other form (Public) is (as was stated in the well written article) just another form of prophecy.<br />I have retained all of the gifts that I have always had, even though I am on the path to becoming a Priest in the Anglican tradition.<br />I am constantly looking for ways to mesh the two without causing too much alarm. I feel the gifts are important for the edification of the church.Fr. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16869676716891199486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-47953062893198141132009-04-17T00:10:00.000-04:002009-04-17T00:10:00.000-04:00Ed,
Amen and amen!Ed,<br /><br />Amen and amen!Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-70569359294835385632009-04-15T13:30:00.000-04:002009-04-15T13:30:00.000-04:00AMEN!
The fact that we do have it right in so m...AMEN! <br /><br />The fact that we do have it right in so many important ways does not mean that we don't need the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />There is no reason on earth that those with only a partial Gospel should see more of his gifts than those who hold the Catholic and Apostolic Faith.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-10409294913145893282009-04-15T10:16:00.000-04:002009-04-15T10:16:00.000-04:00I am very pleased to see this posted by Father Kir...I am very pleased to see this posted by Father Kirby as I have had to deal with various gifts of the spirit from my teen years. Our parish had a woman with the gift of tears, something which seemed to embarrass the clergy more than the congregation, but as it was known that I was reading ascetical and mystical theology, I was recruited to "deal" with her. It was for me a very blessed experience and made me aware that the Holy Spirit still moves among us. <br /><br />I have been fortunate enough to have seen miracles of healing so that I am much aware that God is still in charge. I am also aware that many among us are very much afraid of the work of the spirit. They like things very neat and in control. This attitude has probably kept us much smaller than we should be because it is mainly in surrender to the Spirit that he gives us the grace to add to the Church.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-28437897093082123422009-04-14T12:04:00.000-04:002009-04-14T12:04:00.000-04:00My charismatic experience back in 1977 made a qual...My charismatic experience back in 1977 made a qualitative difference in my life. For 25 years I was a pastor in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles and observed both what a great blessing these phenomena can be and what great danger resides in making them the centerpiece of faith.<br /><br />Thanks, Fr. Kirby, for posting this. I still pray in tongues in private, and sing wordlessly often. Though a layman, I pray for the sick and expect to see God move as a result. Sometimes I find myself rather wishing that somehow there could be a bit more opportunity for the careful expression of these gifts in liturgical context, while fully aware that "careful" is the operative word. <br /><br />The Catholic faith includes all aspects of what God has chosen to do amongst His people, and we can't afford to deny any. I could post at length on this, but will refrain for the moment. Perhaps later.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-46528952778374198502009-04-14T02:03:00.000-04:002009-04-14T02:03:00.000-04:00When my mother was Confirmed in the Episcopal Chur...When my mother was Confirmed in the Episcopal Church, in the 1940s, she found herself praying in tongues the next day. It was much later that she came to understand it in light of the Bible. That it came so quickly after Confirmation makes perfect sense.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.com