tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post9117512509041319140..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Third Sunday after TrinityFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-19416631008154084942009-06-29T22:07:33.120-04:002009-06-29T22:07:33.120-04:00... and "Comfortable" Words, of course, ...... and "Comfortable" Words, of course, is an antique use of "comfortable", which did not make one think of a feather bed in Elizabethan times, but rather comes from the Latin "fortis" - "sttrength) and speaks of the strength to carry on. The verses chosen by Cranmer and recited in the Prayer Book Mass are well chosen to administer that strength and confidence. I've known priests who deliberately [mis]pronounce the word as com-FORT-able to stress that.<br /><br />Sometimes being strengthened is not at all comfortable by the modern definition. Ever hear the phrase "No pain, no gain"? It's a good Scriptural concept.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-60419921739807422172009-06-29T21:28:43.811-04:002009-06-29T21:28:43.811-04:00Sandra, the lectionary is a good thing and the &qu...Sandra, the lectionary is a good thing and the "Comfortable Words" are one of the riches of the Book of Common Prayer. Only sometimes, if I am honest with myself about my sin, even these words aren't so comfy.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-33092888327797531382009-06-28T22:10:01.204-04:002009-06-28T22:10:01.204-04:00Father Hart,
A great sermon! Amen, and amen.
At...Father Hart,<br /><br />A great sermon! Amen, and amen.<br /><br />At the beginning of creation God was robbed. The Son comes to restore all things in heaven and earth to the Father, so that God may be all in all.<br /><br />"There is no such thing as the secular, only profanation of the Holy."Fr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097549748468739701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-37358546071749276492009-06-28T19:00:00.807-04:002009-06-28T19:00:00.807-04:00Ah, yes, Father, I am in substantial agreement wit...Ah, yes, Father, I am in substantial agreement with you, and hope I'm not being disrespectful to a godly priest in saying that when you point, you've got fingers pointing back at you. O don't find Prayer Book Fundamentalism any more appealing than other fundamentalisms, and I find the appraoch of both ACC and ACA to be a refreshing one, pf authorizing [i]both[/i] BCP [i/]and[/i] Missal. You have your very strong preference both for straight BCP and for the style if using it. I can certainly honor that, and would be thoroughly glad to worship according to it. Other parishes have equally strong preferences for forms within these parameters that you dislike. I, in fact, do prefer the BCP considerably enriched and slightly altered in ways allowed by the Missal. If our teaching is within the range that our church permits, there is plenty of room for both, but, with all due respect, I don't know how much room there really is for either "side" to be condemning the other.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-7965300790021698932009-06-28T18:18:28.339-04:002009-06-28T18:18:28.339-04:00But, Ed, it is only "those" who won'...But, Ed, it is only "those" who won't obey the rubrics as found in the Book of Common Prayer of whom I wrote; the ones who believe that it is "their" service and not that of the Church. I don't think that any of us could imagine you or the good Fathers falling into that category.<br /><br />Unfortunately we have one locally. The prayer book is in the pew but the service contained therein is nothing like what the cleric actually does. The introit is sung followed by the Kyrie and Gloria with no pause for either the collect for Purity or the words of the Lord. The Sermon takes place before the Creed and is followed by the offretory, the Sursum Corda, etc. If there is a rubric it is broken so that the service can be made to resemble Rome's discarded Tridentine liturgy. <br /><br />I shall have to remember Father Hart's phrase, "those who remember more rubrics and Ritual Notes than God himself ever heard of . . ." It is a perfect description of this sort of churchman. I am sure that I will use it in the future, but if I give Father Hart credit for the line will that be taken for defamation of charactor? I would hope not because I believe it the very height of wit.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-44381835662584558542009-06-28T09:43:55.434-04:002009-06-28T09:43:55.434-04:00So long as THOSE is emphasized in "those Angl...So long as THOSE is emphasized in "<i>those</i> Anglo-Catholics, I can go along with that. Of course, most AngloCathoics are not so narrow as that. I call ,uself such and certainly am not.<br /><br />edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-75671575427271469402009-06-28T08:25:40.664-04:002009-06-28T08:25:40.664-04:00The truth, dear Father, is that those "Anglo-...The truth, dear Father, is that those "Anglo-Catholics" are not high church but low church, believing that they can replace the pope and every church authority on their own say so. They know - and this will sound very uncharitable - very little about being "church" and far too much about playing church. But we are probably stuck with them and have to love them as well albeit they rarely show much love for the rest of us.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-89589665424846902302009-06-28T01:27:09.248-04:002009-06-28T01:27:09.248-04:00I remember some Nose Bleed High Anglo-Catholics, t...I remember some Nose Bleed High Anglo-Catholics, the kind who remember more rubrics and Ritual Notes than God himself ever heard of, deciding (contrary to the rubrics) that the Comfortable Words should be dropped. They seemed to think that the Gospel itself is "too Protestant" for Church. One layman in particular used to tell me that when I would drive over an hour to fill in. The answer he always got from every priest was "you're getting them today."Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-5825014959966576752009-06-27T04:25:25.853-04:002009-06-27T04:25:25.853-04:00Alice, all messages are for every day, but God, wh...Alice, all messages are for every day, but God, who knows that we can only cope with coming to grips with one at a time, gave us the lectionary. To the extent, however, that some messages are more for every day than others, we have the Comfy Words (when we get 'em).Sandra McCollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452475999110574881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-25606290963209215742009-06-26T20:03:56.374-04:002009-06-26T20:03:56.374-04:00"Jesus Christ came into the world to save sin..."Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners."<br /><br />Father, isn't this the message for every day? <br /><br />A wonderful sermon. Thank you for being faithful in the proclamation of the Gospel.Alice C. 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