tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post7673015530917578816..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Invalid Baptism formulaeFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-70883609342118775352008-03-08T15:58:00.000-05:002008-03-08T15:58:00.000-05:00It is possible, about something 70 years ago, that...It is possible, about something 70 years ago, that a Methodist minister might have baptized "In the name of Jesus Christ" (I forget which Methodist sect did that). Although a <I>careless</I> reading of Acts makes this seem scriptural, the Church regards it as invalid.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-87535821290804646792008-03-08T11:09:00.000-05:002008-03-08T11:09:00.000-05:00I was baptized 66 years ago in a Lutheran Church. ...I was baptized 66 years ago in a Lutheran Church. There was a baptismal certiciate issued, which does indeed specify the form of baptism. However, I nad misplaced the certificate for some years, and the pastor had forgotten to enter the act in his church records. There was no doubt, however, as a/ my mother and my godfather, both still living, witnessed the act, b/ the pastor's rigid orthodoxy was well-known, and c/ in that congregation there would have been a fiece hue and cry if it had not been just so. I finally did locate the original certificate, but there had never been the smallest doubt.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-81370570324310503122008-03-07T22:54:00.000-05:002008-03-07T22:54:00.000-05:00My point was exactly the case where there is no ba...My point was exactly the case where there is no baptismal certificate. I know that I personally have none, having been baptized as an infant almost 70 years ago in the Methodist Church. Thus there is nothing at all to read.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-34745571726368371852008-03-07T20:59:00.000-05:002008-03-07T20:59:00.000-05:00The baptism certificate should read that a person ...The baptism certificate should read that a person was baptized "in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." Also, the fine tradition of clergy being kept in line by the orthodoxy of the laity needs to be revived.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-56493155884352058672008-03-07T15:24:00.000-05:002008-03-07T15:24:00.000-05:00This becomes a problem particularly for people bap...This becomes a problem particularly for people baptized as infants. They may have technically heard the words with their own ears (if they were not raising the roof at the time), but they will not remember what words they heard. If there is not written record, such as a baptismal certificate, then they are dependent on knowing the custom of their congregation at the time they were baptized, including the custom of the minister who baptized them. This is fraught with problems and difficulties.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-44810163303823890742008-03-07T00:18:00.000-05:002008-03-07T00:18:00.000-05:00Here's a suggestion about baptism in the name of a...Here's a suggestion about baptism in the name of a gender-neutral Trinity:<BR/><BR/>http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/matters_files/baptism20080307.htmlliturgyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11822769747947139669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-86290425316822531082008-03-05T10:26:00.000-05:002008-03-05T10:26:00.000-05:00Feminists press for reform of Trinitarian language...Feminists press for reform of Trinitarian language, proposing the following: <BR/><BR/>• "Mother, Child, and Womb"<BR/>• "Lover, Beloved, Love"<BR/>• "Creator, Savior, Sanctifier"<BR/>• "Rock, Redeemer, Friend"<BR/>• "King of Glory, Prince of Peace, Spirit of Love"<BR/><BR/>In regard to these proposed changes, Presbyterian seminary professors Andrew Purves and Charles Partee said, "We not only lose the ground for our language of God, we in fact lose the Trinity. We lose God. We do not need a diluted, metaphorical Trinity; rather, we need our confidence in the Christian doctrine of God to be restored." (Source: http://www.gender-news.com/article.php?id=129)<BR/><BR/>Thank God for some sane voices in the PCUSA!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-82859243753197633722008-03-04T01:53:00.000-05:002008-03-04T01:53:00.000-05:00Here is my reflection, prior to reading yours:http...Here is my reflection, prior to reading yours:<BR/>http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/matters.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-19652813534364973222008-03-04T01:40:00.000-05:002008-03-04T01:40:00.000-05:00I posted my thoughts athttp://www.liturgy.co.nz/wo...I posted my thoughts at<BR/>http://www.liturgy.co.nz/worship/matters.html<BR/>and then went to look at what other thoughts were out there.<BR/>ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-75100096871845018632008-03-01T04:39:00.000-05:002008-03-01T04:39:00.000-05:00It beggars belief that people think that changing ...It beggars belief that people think that changing a direct command by the Lord is a good idea.<BR/><BR/>It's the arrogance that they and they alone know what the Lord meant when He say "baptise in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" and so feel "enabled" to alter very specific words.<BR/><BR/>To me, that sounds like some people ought to be down at the quarry cutting themselves millstones.Warwickensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310450226153796760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-73973209463087720762008-02-29T16:53:00.000-05:002008-02-29T16:53:00.000-05:00To the best of my knowledge and belief (which I tr...To the best of my knowledge and belief (which I trust in this case), I was 'done' by an elderly conservative north-end evangelical in 1959 using a 1662 BCP. Think that makes me a Christian.<BR/><BR/>While I'm not as papalist as many clergy I know (and a few laity, although I think extreme papalism is largely a clerical game played out before a bewildered laity), if Papa keeps endorsing sensible decrees like that, he can be as infallible as he likes ;-)<BR/><BR/>These 'alternative' designations for the Persons of the Trinity, which I suspect are a lame attempt at 'inclusive' language, are blatant modalism. Strange how every novelty harks back to an ancient heresy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com