tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post5552872696066874226..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Convert Orthodoxy as Media Echo ChamberFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-74120843464613066902021-09-27T10:20:42.000-04:002021-09-27T10:20:42.000-04:00Cradle Orthodox also believe most of what you ascr...Cradle Orthodox also believe most of what you ascribe to “4chan” converts. <br />1. The Western churches are accepting worldly culture into their churches. This is a fact which many Catholics even agree with. The difference between the West and the East (other than doctrine) is the fact that the West believes it is their job to get people in their doors as a primary goal, and the East believes that goal is secondary to being as close in faith and practice as the century before them. The West believes in adopting things like statues, Eucharist crackers, changing the Latin mass, pitting Pride flags on their door as a way of pulling more people into the church. The East will preserve tradition at the cost of inclusivity. As a result, of you compare the beliefs of nations which are traditionally Anglican with those who are traditionally orthodox (England vs Any nation in Eastern Europe) it is clear which culture (even among those professing Christianity) holds the most conservative views in matters of abortion, marriage, sexual immorality, etc.<br /><br />2. Is it wrong for people dismayed by the fact that their church is not as traditional as they would like, to move to a church which holds views that are more traditional? I don’t think so. I am sure a Catholic/Anglican would accept any protestant who left a Hillsong Church to join their church for the sake of preserving church tradition. I am not sure why there needs to be a double standard on this as if it’s a wholly irrational way of thinking. I have heard many previously Anglican people (Douglas Murray for example) say that they look hard and wide for a church that can be a moral guide to the craziness of what is being taught in the world. They search for a return to tradition and can not find it in “traditional” Western churches. <br /><br />3. Let’s talk about “spiritual abuse.” The people whom the Western churches have turned away will of course look for alternatives. But why are they turned away? In recent times the Catholic bishops wrote a letter saying that they see no problem with the mass administration of a vaccine which was tested on the cells of an aborted fetus. They argued that in a choice between two evils (taking such a vaccine and getting sick with covid) it is better to accent the former. They accepted nindeviations from this view and Pope Francis himself advocated the view. This has alienated many Catholics who are not convicted in the same way. But because the bishops and the pope have spoken out and said that the proper catholic response is to take the vaccine, they have no choice but to comply. In orthodoxy there have been some who have said the same. But these leaders were admonished by others who say that arguing “the greater of two evils” is utilitarian, and that people should have a choice in the matter of spiritually convicted. Thus there is room for those traditional people who do not take medicines, who rely on faith and fasting, for the monks and others who think similarly. The result of this has been a great dissatisfaction in the Western Christians who find nobody on their side talking about the closure of churches, the administration of vaccine passports and what this means to human freedom, etc. <br />4. It is high time the Western churches accept their own role in the conversion of their people. It is unfair to charecterize them as irrational or fantastical. It is high time they realized the solution to the loss is to double down on the tradition of your forefathers and not to bear colorful flags on church doors. Bezahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08128411274019789122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-26998562281030245692018-11-20T17:37:54.962-05:002018-11-20T17:37:54.962-05:00As the former Pastoral Vicar to Metropolitan Hilar...As the former Pastoral Vicar to Metropolitan Hilarion for Western Rite I assure you there is no perfect Church. Western Rite Orthodoxy may be the answer for some who are so inclined. It is difficult at times to be close to other Orthodox Christians who come from a different culture and mindset. Most modern day Anglicans can find the calendar, fasts, and discipline a bit challenging. So, though they like the idea of Western Rite Orthodoxy the actual practice is not as appealing. For the record, both icons and statues are part of Orthodoxy, however the cost of decent statues make the icon far more desirable. Finally, we do not poach, there is no need to, many want the stability of Orthodoxy and come to us. Archpriest Mark Rowe (the current Vicar General) is the most pastoral person who understands fully the problems of transition and does not sugar coat the potential problems to people who apply.+Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09436598652960883206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-78261635403961683942018-08-01T15:39:55.211-04:002018-08-01T15:39:55.211-04:00
My problem with the continuing churches is that t...<br />My problem with the continuing churches is that they still reflect the divisions of the old episcopal church but lacking the pension fund. I can read Robert Jordan on the new ACNA Liturgy and come away with a different understanding of communion from that advocated by an Anglo-Catholic.<br /><br />The nice thing about being with the Orthodox is that I can share the fundamentals of belief without any controversy. Moreover I can say my English Office and celebrate the HC through Orthodox eyes.<br /><br />Of course I’m the idiorrhythmic type of individual, but I do appreciate what you continuers do, and would never advocate poaching by the Orthodox or that other one true church.<br /><br />Seraphim+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-80653887500964796562018-07-25T00:31:47.779-04:002018-07-25T00:31:47.779-04:00"I believe that Continuing Anglicans are righ..."I believe that Continuing Anglicans are rightly warned not to be easily influenced by self-appointed missionaries of the Two One True Churches. We are not a mission field needing to be saved."<br /><br />Truer words were never spoken:<br /><br />http://northamanglican.com/the-continuing-anglican-communion/<br /><br />The Embryo Parson (Fr. Christopher Little)http://www.oldjamestownchurch.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-77409300261346480432018-07-23T15:41:26.320-04:002018-07-23T15:41:26.320-04:00I believe that Continuing Anglicans are rightly wa...I believe that Continuing Anglicans are rightly warned not to be easily influenced by self-appointed missionaries of the Two One True Churches. We are not a mission field needing to be saved.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-36148238243166302222018-07-22T16:17:59.468-04:002018-07-22T16:17:59.468-04:00Good afternoon. I can speak to these issues, havi...Good afternoon. I can speak to these issues, having spent time in the Episcopal Church (Christ Episcopal Church, Denver), AMIA, the Antiochian Archdiocese and now with some involvement at a local ACNA parish up the street (while remaining Orthodox for now).<br /><br />The divisions in the Episcopal Church have hurt many people over the years, going back to the schisms of the 1970’s and then the VGR Schism in the late 90’s / early 2000’s.<br /><br />Some sought a solution in a continuing Anglican group. Some sought it in AMIA and the ACNA, and some looked for a home in Anglican Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy or the Roman Catholic Church. There has never been a perfect solution, IMO.<br /><br />After some deep disappointments in all of these places, I’ve concluded there really isn’t a “one stop shop.”<br /><br />I’m still “officially” Western Rite Orthodox, but I’ve chosen to join a Men’s Group at an ACNA parish ten minutes away from my house. I’m finding blessing there, even though the parish has female deacons (of course I disagree with that).<br /><br />And my son is going on a short mission trip to the homeless in Denver through Saint Matthew’s Episcopal Church at the cathedral in downtown Denver. <br /><br />I started off my “christian” life as a fundamentalist / independent Baptist, encountered the writings of C.S. Lewis and Francis Schaeffer (among many many others), went to Biola University, encountered the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements (and wrestled with those), became an Anglican at Christ Church, and then bumped into a fellow in the Christ Church library who was looking into Eastern Orthodoxy. I really didn’t know a thing about it, but if there was an alternative to Roman Catholic errors, I wanted to know about it.<br /><br />The point is, it’s quite a mixed ecclesiastical world. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that people look into different movements that label themselves as “Christian.”<br /><br />Competing against each other, though, in a mad attempt to build “brand loyalty” is just following the way of the world.<br /><br />Instead of engaging in polemics, why don’t you ask what your Orthodox brothers and sisters are struggling with and simply try to help them find some peace in Jesus Christ? These divisions have been hard on everybody and are not God’s original design for the Church or Anglicanism. Perhaps the Ephraim Radner approach is the best one. Let’s all choose humility and forbearance wherever we are.<br /><br />Lord, Have Mercy.<br /><br />Blessings in Christ,<br /><br />The lowly reader,<br /><br />Columba Silouan Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-14815734257241343952018-07-22T15:06:24.871-04:002018-07-22T15:06:24.871-04:00Not sure, Father, whether you've seen these co...Not sure, Father, whether you've seen these comments on this post by a rather "interesting" RC polemicist.<br /><br />http://stmarycoldcase.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-threat-as-seen-from-continuum.html?m=1<br /><br />http://stmarycoldcase.blogspot.com/2018/07/swimming-tiber-or-rerouting-it.html?m=1<br /><br />Typical of the engrained "one true church" attitude, methinks.Warwickensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310450226153796760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-37861729983084429812018-07-19T21:55:17.944-04:002018-07-19T21:55:17.944-04:00Thank-you, Fr Hart! This post shows the reason I ...Thank-you, Fr Hart! This post shows the reason I return to this site, week after week!<br /><br /><br />Kevin Holsapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15501523586604370260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-91943736995913307992018-07-19T18:13:11.678-04:002018-07-19T18:13:11.678-04:00This is so totally right on that I am astounded th...This is so totally right on that I am astounded that it was written by one so young. As someone whose baptismal certificate is in Cyrillic and who spent a great deal of thought about returning to the Church of my baptism, I can only hope that it receives the widest circulation among Anglicans in the Continuum. We have our weaknesses and our unwillingness to face the full demands of the Bible, the Fathers, the Creeds and the very text of the prayer book itself, but we are much closer to the Catholicism of the first five centuries than Moscow or Rome.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-21851220103269074662018-07-19T15:42:04.472-04:002018-07-19T15:42:04.472-04:00After thirty years since the move from Anglicanism...After thirty years since the move from Anglicanism to the Orthodox Church, I don't believe "convert orthodoxy" is nearly so uniform as this article presents it.<br /><br />Pat Reardonnoreply@blogger.com