tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post5376840032171541304..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Nailing it to the doorFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-23194156591404898222010-06-20T23:49:01.916-04:002010-06-20T23:49:01.916-04:00Steve's article, by alluding to Knox at the en...Steve's article, by alluding to Knox at the end, simply skips over Anglicanism altogether: <br /><br />"Monsignor Knox’s enthusiast is very often a man with catholic instincts whose Protestantism denies him the consolation of the sacraments and the formative authority of Mother Church."<br /><br />As Anglicans our Catholic Protestantism, or Protestant Catholicism, does not deny us either at all in any way. The shoe doesn't fit, so we won't wear it.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-5002704536572404842010-06-20T15:59:40.505-04:002010-06-20T15:59:40.505-04:00Fr. Hart, could you please expand on the Anglican-...Fr. Hart, could you please expand on the Anglican-Catholic's understanding of justification? What is it that separates it from Rome's point of view that does not separate it from Eastern Orthodoxy's? What is your take on the "New Finnish" interpretation of Luther?<br /><br />http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=13-06-041-b<br /><br /><br />CaedmonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-4102970128083755552010-06-19T10:21:20.507-04:002010-06-19T10:21:20.507-04:00In Thesis 7, Fr Hart states very correctly that th...In Thesis 7, Fr Hart states very correctly that the doctrine of Justification has Christological implications. This probably needs to be unpacked for those who do not readily grasp the relationship between what Jesus did and is doing and who Jesus is.<br /><br />There are basically two ways of thinking about this problem. We may think of the work of Christ as a cooperative endeavour between the Saviour and the sinner, more or less as equal members of a partnership. OTOH we may think of the work of Christ as His own mighty act on our behalf (a thing He has done once for all and still a work in progress). <br /><br />If we go with the first conception, it makes no difference at all whether we have an Arian, Apollinarian,Nestorian, or Eutychian Christ. Anyone of these is amenable to an equal partnership. Of course, for the sake of "tradition" we might affirm Chalcedon, etc, but this is only a formality. It is all too possible to be officially orthodox and yet have Arianism as the working theology.<br /><br />For the second model, think of Jesus standing at the tomb of Lazarus saying "Lazarus, come forth!" There we have the Biblical paradigm of the sinner, DEAD in his prespasses, utterly helpless apart from a miracle of sovereign grace. Dead men do not cooperate, and it is foolish of ask a corpse to make a decision. This scenario from John 11 requires a Saviour who is all that the ancient Councils said He is, <br /><br />While the RCC still has Nicaea, etc, on the books as official theology, the ancient doctrine of Who Jesus Christ Truly IS is virtually denied at every turn. Our Prayer Book had to make a polemical affirmation in calling Him "our only Mediator and Advocate." We all know who is called "Mediatrix of All Graces," "our Advocate...our life, our sweetness and our hope."<br /><br />Recently I heard a speaker EWTN make the statement (the Sacrament of Penance was his topic), "The penitent joins Christ in expiating sin." His context revealed that he did not know the distinction of propitiation and expiation. But his statement is equally incorrect either way. Christ and Christ alone, being God Incarnate, drives out sin by placating and assuaging the wrath which necesarily ensues when holiness is confronted by evil. That is the very heart of the Gospel, articulum stantis aut cadentis Ecclesiae. I prefer stantis to cadentis.<br />LKWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-55423276556955665712010-06-18T14:51:00.184-04:002010-06-18T14:51:00.184-04:00POPCORN ALL 'ROUND!!
Well done, gentle father...POPCORN ALL 'ROUND!!<br /><br />Well done, gentle fathers. Here. Take some popcorn and have a beer with that. And a toast to all Anglicans who teach it thus!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-62521736997862636952010-06-18T11:10:49.036-04:002010-06-18T11:10:49.036-04:00Fr. Wells,
Hear, hear!
To call the intermediate ...Fr. Wells,<br /><br />Hear, hear!<br /><br />To call the intermediate state a place for temporal punishment is to miss the point, I think, in addition to being a gross error. (Whether one exists is, of course, a question for another time.) Folks there are heaven-bound and merely still on the path of sanctification, however long it may take for them.<br /><br />Having said that, I suspect I'll never forget the image of Dante conversing with his friend, Belacqua, who has elected to stop and take a breather as he makes his way up Mt. Purgatorio.RSC+https://www.blogger.com/profile/00639369749327986414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-58639227014602929012010-06-17T17:40:00.267-04:002010-06-17T17:40:00.267-04:00How about the notion that the absolution given dur...How about the notion that the absolution given during the mass is not a real absolution at all. As the <a href="http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/chapter2.shtml#sect3a" rel="nofollow">General Instruction of the Roman Missal</a> (51) puts it, after the general confession, "The rite concludes with the priest's absolution, which, however, lacks the efficacy of the Sacrament of Penance." This makes a liar of the priest giving the "absolution" and reduces this essential portion of the liturgy to mere memorialism.Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-61700671441090969712010-06-17T13:11:36.758-04:002010-06-17T13:11:36.758-04:00!
John A. Hollister+
"scora"!<br /><br />John A. Hollister+<br />"scora"John A. Hollisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01325615323834517909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-87788099606436829342010-06-17T11:25:42.544-04:002010-06-17T11:25:42.544-04:00All very important points--and especially about th...All very important points--and especially about the Christological import of the Biblical doctrine of justification. Mary-hailing highchurchman that I am, I cannot and will not accept the Bad News of Roman synergism. (And this is not "private judgement," that bête noire of our brothers across the Tiber, but simple adherence to the teaching of Jesus and St. Paul.)Brian Goldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-52823948219057909372010-06-17T07:04:15.062-04:002010-06-17T07:04:15.062-04:00That's just a start, Fr Hart. Permit me to ad...That's just a start, Fr Hart. Permit me to add two more.<br /><br />13. It is utterly unBiblical and unPatristic and subversive to the Gospel to suggest that those dying with faith in Christ must suffer temporal punishments in an afterlife. While CCC backs away from such falsehood, its doctrine of purgatory is still inimical to the Gospel on this point.<br /><br />14. It is sheer jibberish to praise a hypothetical "Anglican patrimony" while denying the reality of Anglican orders.<br />Such talk is fatuous and deceitful.<br /><br />(This lis could be expanded, I am sure.)<br /><br />LKWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-70033120051196305642010-06-17T02:07:50.682-04:002010-06-17T02:07:50.682-04:00Amen, Father. Thank you again.
BWAmen, Father. Thank you again.<br /><br />BWAnglicanContinuerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285681195361260378noreply@blogger.com