tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post4839194498703825038..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: Confusing the issueFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-43809757784136463932010-11-06T00:45:03.690-04:002010-11-06T00:45:03.690-04:00Are all Anglican Catholics Anglo-Catholics?
No.
...<i>Are all Anglican Catholics Anglo-Catholics?</i><br /><br />No.<br /><br /><i>Are all Anglo-Catholics Anglicans?</i><br /><br />Quite clearly, some are Anglicans in name only.<br /><br /><i>Are all Anglicans Catholics?</i><br /><br />If they are Anglicans in more than name.<br /><br /><i>Are some Anglo-Catholics Anglo-papalists?</i><br /><br />Not real Anglo-Catholics.<br /><br /><i>Or are all Anglo-papalists Anglo-Catholics?</i> <br /><br />They think they are, in a delusional sense.<br /><br /><i>And, are all Anglican Catholics Reformed Catholics?</i><br /><br />No, but they should be.<br /><br /><i>Oh, and do you have to be a communicant in good standing with the Anglican Catholic Church in order to be an Anglican Catholic?</i><br /><br />That depends on whether or not the term is used to mean our jurisdiction, in which case the answer would be yes. Otherwise, the answer would be no.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-73510324678406275062010-11-06T00:01:28.461-04:002010-11-06T00:01:28.461-04:00Oh, and do you have to be a communicant in good st...Oh, and do you have to be a communicant in good standing with the Anglican Catholic Church in order to be an Anglican Catholic?Fr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097549748468739701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-73830918183861519162010-11-05T23:58:07.425-04:002010-11-05T23:58:07.425-04:00Fr. Hart,
I think I know what you are getting at ...Fr. Hart,<br /><br />I think I know what you are getting at with your "caveat," but I want to ask you to spell it out.<br /><br />Are all Anglican Catholics Anglo-Catholics?<br /><br />Are all Anglo-Catholics Anglicans?<br /><br />Are all Anglicans Catholics?<br /><br />Are some Anglo-Catholics Anglo-papalists?<br /><br />Or are all Anglo-papalists Anglo-Catholics? And, are all Anglican Catholics Reformed Catholics?<br /><br />Just asking.Fr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097549748468739701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-91142101748556201892010-11-05T09:33:58.639-04:002010-11-05T09:33:58.639-04:00Dear Father Hart:
I'm glad for your 'M...Dear Father Hart: <br /> I'm glad for your 'My only caveat...' I am hopeful that we are finally making progress in uniting the Continuum and even little gestures or remarks like that are helpful.Fr.Jas.A.Chantlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-20985769786104308012010-11-05T00:47:11.189-04:002010-11-05T00:47:11.189-04:00Could this be a sort of Anglo-Catholic-phobia? ......<i>Could this be a sort of Anglo-Catholic-phobia? ...Anglican Catholicism is contagious.</i><br /><br />My only caveat is that we avoid making Anglo-Catholic and Anglican Catholic appear synonymous.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-84282658944992932562010-11-04T18:53:58.088-04:002010-11-04T18:53:58.088-04:00Well if you want to leave all your problems behind...Well if you want to leave all your problems behind, join the uncontroversial Roman Catholic Church which is free from scandal or join the Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of America were everything is just peachy and without any problems.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686622941862667157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-49084403236286803272010-11-04T18:26:24.142-04:002010-11-04T18:26:24.142-04:00I suppose we will have to thank Pope Benedict XVI ...I suppose we will have to thank Pope Benedict XVI for the lovely phrase "the Anglican Patrimony." But this is left undefined and remains a shapeless concept. As best we can make out, it is purely esthetic and mostly liturgical, Wareham Guild style vestments, neo-Gothic architecture, music by Orlando Gibbons and R. Vaughan Williams, lots of quotations from T. S. Eliot and the Inklings, charge accounts at Wippell's and Almy's. But you can bet your next mortgage payment it does not include the writings of Richard Hooker or E. J. Bicknell.<br /><br />The "Anglican Patrimony" currently peddled by Hepworth & Co is drawing very few buyers. The earnest souls who truly wish to become Roman Catholic already know how to achieve that through the established procedures.<br />Hanging on to a Romantic esthetic, no older than the Victorian period, is of no interest to them.<br />LKWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-66719289911450974002010-11-04T16:44:18.551-04:002010-11-04T16:44:18.551-04:00It is strange how the RC's will side with the ...It is strange how the RC's will side with the Orthodox when attacking Anglicanism, however at other times tear the EO people apart to prove their uniqueness and oneness as the one, true church!Brendannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-58555410584239760692010-11-04T16:44:13.200-04:002010-11-04T16:44:13.200-04:00Everyone wants to beat up on the continuing Anglic...Everyone wants to beat up on the continuing Anglicans. I wonder why?<br /><br />Recently the Episcopal Bishop of Georgia sent out a clerical letter ordering his clergy not to attend any continuing Anglican church services. He made allowance for funerals and weddings where the clergy have a relationship to the involved family.<br /><br />Could this be a sort of Anglo-Catholic-phobia? It appears to me that there is some fear that contact with the likes of us might be an occasion of contamination. Anglican Catholicism is contagious.<br /><br />And yes the Pope did jettison the title "Patriarch of the West." That could be grounds to relieve us of any ecclesiastical obligation to the Bishop of Rome.Fr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097549748468739701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-15595794154983432732010-11-04T15:18:54.115-04:002010-11-04T15:18:54.115-04:00Ken wrote:
...he is speaking of those who remain ...Ken wrote:<br /><br /><i>...he is speaking of those who remain in a church which has dissolved the apostolic succession (like TEC and the CoE) with the innovation of women's ordination.</i><br /><br />No, he is speaking of anyone who remains Anglican, and he doesn't acknowledge our Apostolic Succession at all. <br /><br /><i>Frankly, what he stated doesn't even apply to the continuing Anglicans in the main as most would probably be happy to be in some sort of communion with Rome</i><br /><br />"Some sort of communion" covers too much ground for this discussion. "Some sort" implies an end to all schism in the Church, a thing that might happen in some century to come, if the Lord does not come back first. As for the ordinariates, it is clear that most Continuing Anglicans have said "no" in the clearest of terms, and that the TAC is shrinking constantly because they have bishops who have tried to force it.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-30167488356612276602010-11-04T12:33:23.455-04:002010-11-04T12:33:23.455-04:00I think when the Bishop is talking of Anglo-Cathol...I think when the Bishop is talking of Anglo-Catholics and congregationalism, he is speaking of those who remain in a church which has dissolved the apostolic succession (like TEC and the CoE) with the innovation of women's ordination.<br /><br />Frankly, what he stated doesn't even apply to the continuing Anglicans in the main as most would probably be happy to be in some sort of communion with Rome.<br /><br />Also didn't Pope Benedict drop the Patriach of the West title?Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05218434053331256206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-18442610138921691702010-11-03T17:48:15.065-04:002010-11-03T17:48:15.065-04:00So if we go with this theory that all Bishops, and...So if we go with this theory that all Bishops, and by extension their churches, need to be in communion with a patriarch, who then are all these Roman's in communion with? Did not the current Pope reject the title Patriarch of the West? Could one think that that Patriarchate is now abandoned and vacant? The See of Rome is there but can it really be said to still be a patriarchate if the current Bishop of Rome says he is not the patriarch?AFS1970noreply@blogger.com