tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post3611773284258578603..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: I am glad he said itFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-3319693831643010562011-06-21T07:34:51.561-04:002011-06-21T07:34:51.561-04:00Rome is encumbered with many embarrassing things, ...Rome is encumbered with many embarrassing things, most of which they simply allow to fall into oblivon. (The Enchiridion Indulgentiarum comes to mind.) But the reprehensible 1896 document rejecting Anglican Orders was given special notice and new emphasis in that fit of generosity called Anglicanorum Coetibus.<br />The requirement of Conditional Ordination would have satisfied most if not all positions, but absolute ordination is insisted upon.Fr. Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842080747345893229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-43612175186510116422011-06-20T14:48:01.341-04:002011-06-20T14:48:01.341-04:00We are told, and I am sure sincerely, that an Angl...<i>We are told, and I am sure sincerely, that an Anglican priest is not required to deny his priesthood when becoming RC. But here the Ordinary seems to be denying it quite spontaneously.</i><br /><br />Which is inevitable. The mistake is in the presumption of what "we are told...sincerely." Rome is encumbered with their embarrassing Papal pronouncement of 1896. That ties the hands of any and every RC ordinary.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-5502217675700877052011-06-19T06:05:44.811-04:002011-06-19T06:05:44.811-04:00"There can be no genuine priestly ministry ex...<i>"There can be no genuine priestly ministry except in communion with the Supreme Pontiff."</i><br />We are told, and I am sure sincerely, that an Anglican priest is not required to deny his priesthood when becoming RC. But here the Ordinary seems to be denying it quite spontaneously.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-71838271078670107952011-06-17T18:06:22.682-04:002011-06-17T18:06:22.682-04:00The comment threads about Fr. Kimel's move fro...The comment threads about Fr. Kimel's move from Rome at Titusonenine and Midwest Conservative Journal were lengthy and someoone at MCJ posted the vows that he would have taken entering Orthodoxy renouncing the RC and pope's 'erroneous' claims to primacy and infallibility as well as the Filioque.<br /><br />Meanwhile, those entering the Ordinariate in England were told:<br />“Mgr Newton stressed: “First and foremost then you are to be ordained a priest of the Catholic Church. What happens to you today will give you a new authentic authority to your ministry.<br />“You will discover in the words of Lumen Gentium that ‘There can be no genuine priestly ministry except in communion with the Supreme Pontiff‘” <br /><br />Someone also commented that both the Orthodox and Rome see Anglicans as a broken off part of the Latin Church under Rome.<br /><br />An Anglican said, "It seems like a better idea to look for the One True Lord than the one true Church."<br /><br />The endless arguments about which church is first, right and best are wearying and take away the real joy of the Lord.Geo. S. Southerlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-88801467581435832752011-06-17T12:33:32.525-04:002011-06-17T12:33:32.525-04:00It is "what has changed" that they are f...It is "what has changed" that they are fleeing. It is the the old ways, without those changes, that we are Continuing.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-37717579398493495042011-06-17T12:29:18.662-04:002011-06-17T12:29:18.662-04:00Regarding Mr, or Al Kimmel, "He never gave An...Regarding Mr, or Al Kimmel, "He never gave Anglicanism a chance!" <br />I don't know about Mr Kimmel, I posted on his blog and he seemed like a man who had made his mind up, as they do say! But he wasn't the only one, when we read the comments of a lot of the runners and listen to the statements of many who are staying. We should ask, what has changed?highchurchmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06758923949944286862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-18706061687702199492011-06-17T12:12:39.147-04:002011-06-17T12:12:39.147-04:00I agree with Bp. Redmile at the recent Victoria Co...I agree with Bp. Redmile at the recent Victoria Congress who described the Ordinariate was a "gift" for continuing Anglicans. The Pope did some much needed house cleaning for us. Amen.charleshttp://www.anglicanrose.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-89917434947509477732011-06-17T10:13:43.108-04:002011-06-17T10:13:43.108-04:00"Ex-Men"
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DT"Ex-Men"<br />:-)<br /><br />DTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-71015390672684036082011-06-17T07:29:08.160-04:002011-06-17T07:29:08.160-04:00"he never gave real Anglicanism a chance.&quo..."he never gave real Anglicanism a chance."<br /><br />His name is legion.<br /><br />(And dear Lord, please help Fr Kimel to be happy where he is. Please, please, please!)Fr. Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842080747345893229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-48273892675887269322011-06-17T01:01:06.817-04:002011-06-17T01:01:06.817-04:00...do you have any thoughts on the recent news tha...<i>...do you have any thoughts on the recent news that Al Kimmel has left Rome for Orthodoxy?</i><br /><br />Maybe he won't be happy there either, after the honeymoon wears off. The thing is, he never gave <i>real</i> Anglicanism a chance.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-40439186988810981382011-06-16T22:22:34.543-04:002011-06-16T22:22:34.543-04:00I talked this past week with an old friend I had o...I talked this past week with an old friend I had out of touch with for a great while, a priest of the Continuing ACA. His astute observation was that the whole Hepworth scheme has turned out to be a blessing in disguise. For the clergy of the ACA who are not going to be gobbled up in a very temporary arrangement, this has been the opportunity to re-learn what Anglicanism really is all about. There is no growth without pain, and if this strange misadventure serves to re-establish the faith of Whitgift, Hooker, Jewell, Andrewes and Donne, then once again God has brought great good out of evil.Fr. Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00842080747345893229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-68846187745733820332011-06-16T21:32:09.175-04:002011-06-16T21:32:09.175-04:00Many Roman Catholics do not know what Anglican pat...Many Roman Catholics do not know what Anglican patrimony is, or what the term refers to. One of the problems in setting up the Ordinariate is that while the Pope and the Curia think deep thoughts from the lofty heights of the Vatican about reuniting Christianity, and bringing Anglicans into full communion, the working class at street level often has no idea of how to implement these plans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-72398148415541980882011-06-16T20:13:18.008-04:002011-06-16T20:13:18.008-04:00In thinking of Romanizing Anglicans, do you have a...In thinking of Romanizing Anglicans, do you have any thoughts on the recent news that Al Kimmel has left Rome for Orthodoxy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-67957286170950460512011-06-16T17:41:44.409-04:002011-06-16T17:41:44.409-04:00Jeffrey Steenson was my Anglican Polity professor ...Jeffrey Steenson was my Anglican Polity professor in seminary and he planted the first seeds of doubt in my mind about women priests. As I listened to him lecture, I realized "Here is a man who knows of what he's speaking."<br />Later he gave me an F on an exam in which I was to answer the question: "What historical and/or Biblical precedent can be cited in support of the ordination of women to the catholic priesthood?" I deserved it! My paper quoted sources that today I wouldn't even consider worthy of citation.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.com