tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post3376464156238712840..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: News and analysisFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-9229743525997996412011-02-08T03:42:04.804-05:002011-02-08T03:42:04.804-05:00Canon Tallis and 'S. Augustine' make a ser...Canon Tallis and 'S. Augustine' make a serious point when they ask if the more ‘exotic shades’ of Continuing Anglicanism in any way hinders those who are seeking refuge either from the Canterbury Communion or from the likes of the ACA? If some former ACA parishes have now joined the theologically compromised ACNA rather than the ACC et al then that does raise some serious questions. Why? Is it the Missal / Ritual Notes ‘style’ of Anglo-catholicism that they find off putting? Would they find a Prayer Book catholicism / mere Anglicanism more familiar or appealing? Are there any clergy / people who have recently journeyed from other Anglican entities to the Continuum who could shed light on this? <br /><br />Canterbury AnglicanCanterbury Anglicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16594180139267514819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-57676892971493020512011-02-07T14:36:34.105-05:002011-02-07T14:36:34.105-05:00Good Canon Tallis:
I am an ACC Churchman who is c...Good Canon Tallis:<br /><br />I am an ACC Churchman who is completely at home in a high church Anglo-Catholic parish, including the all the smells and bells without which many classical Anglicans would be quite happy (including that wretched Angelus we chant at the end of the service). That said, I have strong loyalties to classical Anglicanism, and feel our communion would be impoverished without a strong contingent of prayer book catholics who are (*gasp*!) biblically literate. Thanks for standing up for our tradition. I too pray for Rome to come to Her senses.<br /><br />S. Augustine<br />ACC Churchman<br />Church of the Guardian Angels, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-78574661123496728512011-02-06T23:23:19.999-05:002011-02-06T23:23:19.999-05:00I am the anonymous writer of the 9:24 pm post, but...I am the anonymous writer of the 9:24 pm post, but not the 7:21 pm post. Sorry.<br />LKWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-81527792103728202812011-02-05T21:51:53.424-05:002011-02-05T21:51:53.424-05:00Allegation of financial mismanagement is a serious...Allegation of financial mismanagement is a serious matter. But it is my information that Bp Campese always had one of his own parishioners elected or appointed diocesan treasurer. It would also be interesting know know if that treasury was returned to the Diocese and if any sort of finanical accounting was made. NBot accusin' nobody of nothin' but inquiring minds want to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-15900845028798881372011-02-05T20:28:54.065-05:002011-02-05T20:28:54.065-05:00Anonymous:
I am no fan of the pro-ordinariate app...Anonymous:<br /><br />I am no fan of the pro-ordinariate approach. Nonetheless, if you are going to make accusations about financial mismanagement or other concepts that take us beyond theological debate into allegations of fraud, you need 1) some evidence to point to, and 2) to come out from behind your anonymous shield. <br /><br />You may be completely on target for all I know; but, for now I must caution the readers that I cannot substantiate it.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-33784914671393453172011-02-05T20:17:09.537-05:002011-02-05T20:17:09.537-05:00I hope orthodox Anglicans think and pray a lot bef...I hope orthodox Anglicans think and pray a lot before joining the Ordinariate, and know what they'd be getting themselves into. Even in the UK it looks like there is a Continuing Anglican Church; that, I'm guessing, would be much more of a REAL refuge. The more I learn about Rome, the more it looks like it's rapidly going down the same road as the US Episcopal church, and not likely to be very welcoming to traditionalists.lexflyingfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00918530428111814365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-30113540214794084562011-02-05T19:24:18.767-05:002011-02-05T19:24:18.767-05:00From the Chancelor's of the ACA, via Virtue On...From the Chancelor's of the ACA, via Virtue Online: "It should be stated clearly that there is no provision in the Constitution and Canons of the Anglican Church in America for an entity such as the Patrimony of the Primate. The Patrimony of the Primate is not part of the ACA."<br /><br />Campese "abandoned" DEUS after the balance of power shifted on the Standing Committee and he was pressured to go, taking diocesan $$$$ with him. With no available Ordinariate, he needed something, anything, to go to. So, why not just make something up and continue to blow smoke? The ACA Patrimony of the Primate is a fiction. Can you say "vagante?"<br /><br />Once again the fabric of the man is blowing in the wind. May God have mercy on all those who have participated in this sorry mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-41727187824739927402011-02-05T16:58:11.335-05:002011-02-05T16:58:11.335-05:00Fr. Hart,
I confess I've been out of the loop...Fr. Hart,<br /><br />I confess I've been out of the loop as regards the business with Hepworth. I know that he and the folks at That Other Blog had a falling out, and That Other Blog had a schism which resulted in the creation of That Other Other Blog, but the fine details are mysterious to me. Can you point me to a succinct explanation of what has happened?<br /><br /><br />Canon Tallis,<br /><br />There you go again<b>*</b> with that horrible myth that the ACC and her sister jurisdictions are suppressing and neglecting poor, pitiful Anglicans who really just want their 1928 Prayer Book and no frills, and that there is something inherently wrong with Ritual Notes or the Missals. It simply isn't so. Let the folks who want their straight up BCP services have it, let the missal folks have their service, and quit trying to pit the two liturgical camps against each other. Extreme proponents of either system lack a certain charity which is toxic to greater unity. I myself am perfectly content in either expression of our service. This rhetoric of yours is incredibly unhelpful to our common cause, especially when it comes from someone hiding comfortably behind a pseudonym. <br /><br /><br /><br />* Use of that seems appropriate on the day before Reagan's centennial, I suppose.RSC+https://www.blogger.com/profile/00639369749327986414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-81449702512167157362011-02-05T12:36:32.467-05:002011-02-05T12:36:32.467-05:00The ACA did provide a local refuge for a few of us...The ACA did provide a local refuge for a few of us ex-Episcopalians when the scales fell from our eyes. The Accords of St. Louis is a beautiful document. Thank you.<br /><br />The Anglicanorum Coetibus fell out of the sky and blindsided us in a terrible way. There was no discussion, no trial balloon, or attempt at an explanation. Hepworth kept the ACA bishops in the dark and the bishops kept us in the dark. The ACA is falling apart. I wonder why!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-28159840926004354522011-02-05T12:34:35.952-05:002011-02-05T12:34:35.952-05:00Oops - typo - that should be John XXIIIOops - typo - that should be John XXIIIColin Chattannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-92011159426470351522011-02-05T11:55:16.616-05:002011-02-05T11:55:16.616-05:00I find it simply incredulous that any continuing A...I find it simply incredulous that any continuing Anglican would consider the ACNA. The local parish which has placed itself under Bishop Iker staged a little affair with the Roman diocese in which it was made only too painfully aware that the priest did not know how to do evening prayer, even out of the '79 book. <br /><br />How have the parishes and diocese of the APCK, UECNA and ACC failed that so many of us who want to remain classical prayer book Anglicans are unable to really look to them for leadership? For simple unity and an aggressive program of evangelism, church planting and growth? Are they so in love with <i>Ritual Notes,</i> the missals and playing papist that the Bible, 'the ancient bishops and Catholic fathers,' the creeds, the General Councils and finally The Book of Common Prayer simply not get through to them? Are they really that afraid of being 'Mere Anglican' that without the ornaments and ceremonies of the most corrupt period of the Roman Church they are incapable of feeling, of thinking, of knowing themselves as truly Catholic, if not more, than any bishop who ever occupied the see of Rome?<br /><br />It is an extremely excellent thing that the Reverend Misters Hart and Wells are leading us back through the Thirty-Nine Articles, but there is so much more that we as Anglicans ought to know and believe, but which seems beyond what is to be found on the book shelves of the average bishop, priest or deacon in the continuum. The greats of the English Church beginning with Elizabeth I herself and running through John Jewel, Hooker, Andrewes, Laud, Herbert and their heirs culminating in the Anglican greats of the early twentieth century need to be read and re-read by all of us.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-65076933223743656582011-02-05T01:20:25.731-05:002011-02-05T01:20:25.731-05:00Just playing a sort of devils advocate here, the e...Just playing a sort of devils advocate here, the eventual ordinariate in the USA may include more than ACA parishes. While this small element of the ACA have been the most vocal about it, there are recent stories of various Anglican and even TEC clergy crossing the Tiber. <br /><br />It is possible that when and if an ordinariate is established here, it will include all disenfranchised Anglicans regardless of original jurisdiction. This could be good or bad for the ego's of a few ACA leaders as the ordinary could come from just about anywhere in that scenario.<br /><br />At this point, I personally think that too many people have seen through this generous offer and decided not to convert. I do understand completely the RCC taking a wait and see approach, as the numbers are obviously not what they were said to be initially by the ACA.AFS1970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-22971204965453623872011-02-04T22:28:05.641-05:002011-02-04T22:28:05.641-05:00The ACA Diocese of the West under Bp. Williams is ...The ACA Diocese of the West under Bp. Williams is bleeding parishes. They only have one parish left in Washington State...the rest have gone to the ACNA.W.C. Wallacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-394969602163592362011-02-04T21:29:17.008-05:002011-02-04T21:29:17.008-05:00Back in my eaerlier years I recall a slogan, "...Back in my eaerlier years I recall a slogan, "What is they gave a war and nobody came?" Seems like I had a teeshirt<br />with such a profoundity on it. Now the slogan sahould be, "What is they gave an Ordinariate and Nobody came?"<br /><br />Having followed Christian Campbell's soap opera since its inception, my heart goes out to him as the whole business falls like a house of cards. From the vainglorious boasting of a grand march across the New Bridge over the Tiber, now we see a tiny tentative remnant. Not even forty dots on a map of the USA, many of which are house chapels and private oratories.<br /><br />It is impossible to avoid the impression that the Roman Catholic hierarchy in the USA is holding these people at arm's length abd looking for a way to ease out of the engagement.<br />Cardinal Wuerl (Abp of Washington DC, in charge of the matter in this country) is quoted today as saying,<br />"The goal is to determine whether there is a response substantial enough to warrant the establishment of an ordinariate here in the US" He tactfully adds, "We are a little ways off." <br /><br />The Cardinal Archbishop seems to be a good and decent man, with pastoral skills and administrative expertise.<br />Surely he knows that the RCC-USA has enough problems of its own and does not need to bring this nest of squirrels on board.<br />LKWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-69736153202723318682011-02-04T21:08:40.113-05:002011-02-04T21:08:40.113-05:00Speaking as a former member of the TAC, I can say ...Speaking as a former member of the TAC, I can say that the rose-coloured glasses fell off for me when I was no longer able to convince myself (and oh how I tried to convince myself!) that accepting "Anglicanorum Coetibus" was anything other than conversion. At that point I was once again confronted by all the old, insuperable obstacles that the prospect of conversion had raised in previous episodes of Roman fever - such as the acceptance of certain, at best, pious opinions as dogma on which the salvation of my soul depended - and the, for me, complete lack of credibility of the papacy after the spiritually disastrous reigns of John XXII and Paul VI whose fostering of "aggiornamento" has proven one of the chief factors in the undermining of Christianity not just in the Roman Church, but in all of western Christendom (and I can't honestly see how, on balance, either John Paul II or Benedict XVI have done much to slow down, let alone halt, the great Gadarene slide).Colin Chattannoreply@blogger.com