tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post2747483390462089219..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: A 30 year old problemFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-61307298650705451552008-02-27T19:35:00.001-05:002008-02-27T19:35:00.001-05:00Well said, John.Well said, John.Rev. Dr. Hasserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350737386756722887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-84112031149431420002008-02-27T19:35:00.000-05:002008-02-27T19:35:00.000-05:00Well said, John.Well said, John.Rev. Dr. Hasserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350737386756722887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-22539506757264401062008-02-26T12:56:00.000-05:002008-02-26T12:56:00.000-05:00Oh, and by the way the problem began in 1050 and t...Oh, and by the way the problem began in 1050 and then again in the Middle Ages and led directly to an untenable situation demanding reform in the 1500's But the problem began in Rome on both occasions. In a magesterium the buck stops on the Popes desk, after all he is infallible.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08740471734843352544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-38616590214457254162008-02-26T12:52:00.000-05:002008-02-26T12:52:00.000-05:00ANON says"Let us look forward to when the work of ...ANON says"Let us look forward to when the work of the English State in passing the Act of Supremacy and the Act of Uniformity is undone."<BR/><BR/>If this be so and it may be by Anglicanism's own hand then what is ahead? It is easy to criticize from a far or at least the perception of being 'afar' but reality says something different.<BR/>If the TAC and ACA are absorbed into the RCC what would we expect?<BR/>Well we could say there is an institutional stability but is that true?<BR/>We could say that we have rejoined Catholicism but is that true?<BR/>We could say we would no longer suffer from inadiquate or heretical seminaries but is that true?<BR/>We could say we would gain a source of trained clergy but is that true?<BR/><BR/>The facts are readily available to those who wish to find them and then actually absorb.<BR/><BR/>Catholicism is slipping in the USA and has fallen behind evangelicalism , what ever that is. The institution cannot control itself, wit Universities such as Georgetown and TV outlets like EWTN who regularly broadcast heresy such as Mary being 4th Person. The RCC still practices much personal piety as dogma thereby still not having repented of those things which it has caused schism. As to the seminaries they are hotbeds of homosexuality and lesbian/feminist nuns are running many parishes and blocking young men from entering the priesthood in order to advance their own claim on Apostolic Orders. Clergy steal millions from their flocks wit Fr. Rodney in Richmond VA (Fr Robme to the locals).<BR/><BR/>So we can say we are acting on the Scripture and seeking those things St John teaches but if it is not a two way street what has been accomplished?<BR/><BR/>Before we write off Anglican Formularies I think it wise for those who snipe from RCC quarters and elsewhere to get their own house in order.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08740471734843352544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-90494086703778204872008-02-25T09:13:00.000-05:002008-02-25T09:13:00.000-05:00The problem began in 1559 not 30 years ago. Thank ...The problem began in 1559 not 30 years ago. Thank God the TAC ie taking measures to return to the ancient allegiance. No doubt acceptance of the Catechism of the Catholic Church renders obselete the Articles, and other items in the existing Constitution of the English branch of the TAC. Let us look forward to when the work of the English State in passing the Act of Supremacy and the Act of Uniformity is undone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-21371253931851984782008-02-22T14:49:00.000-05:002008-02-22T14:49:00.000-05:00"An Anglican Cleric" mentioned the FACA, which sta..."An Anglican Cleric" mentioned the FACA, which states as its first principle: <BR/><BR/>"1. FACA is a Federation of Anglican Provinces or Jurisdictions in North and South America which hold to the primacy of Holy Scripture, the Ecumenical Creeds and Councils, adhere to the 39 Articles of Religion, and the principles of the Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral. Each member jurisdiction has adopted one of the historical Books of Common Prayer (as the primary standard for worship)."<BR/><BR/>That certainly sounds like a commitment to Anglican principles, and not to the exclusive ecclesiology of either of the two One True Churches.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-54339632224414857432008-02-22T13:22:00.000-05:002008-02-22T13:22:00.000-05:00Good point to a degree.We live in a time that does...Good point to a degree.<BR/><BR/>We live in a time that does not accommodate blind trust in any man or group of men. Most of us in whatever diaspora we happen to be in have been burnt multiple times. Taking the 'Episcopal" hierarchal model for granted will only cause further divisions. If the CC has proved anything it has proven that. Move without the laity at your own risk. I trust in the Vincentian Canon seems to be the only way to navigate safely. A gift from God for the layman to protect him or herself from dreamers and schemers.<BR/><BR/>Hepworth's comments regarding the 'mistake of 450 years' gives him no credibility to this ACA member. <BR/>My understanding is the Reformation took place because the Roman, not the Catholic Church, the Roman Church had warped Catholicism with it's many man made additions. Admittedly this was further complicated by the warping in other directions by the Calvinists after the fact. <BR/>I am an Anglican and a Catholic I need no ones blessing for this except the Lord Jesus. While it would be a work of the Holy Ghost for Catholics to stop being Roman, Anglican and Orthodox and just 'Catholic' it is not likely without direct Godly intervention. I cannot say the Roman way is the right way having left error in TEC I cannot see right thinking in the promotion of leaving one body of error for another. And it is unlikely the Rome will ever confess it's errors in a humble and contrite and charitable way to enjoin others. They are blinded by their own greatness and size. At some point the retention of man made dogma's can only be attributed to pride stemming from power. And that alone is reason enough to think the appeal will go nowhere. They need not be charitable they are hoping to pick us all off one by one- wit the number of their apologists on this list splitting hairs on bald heads. But if the TAC Letter does move forward and if we must become Romans than I will go somewhere else unless there is provision for matters of conscience regarding certain doctrines and dogmas.<BR/><BR/>As to FACA it seems to be a failure anyway. The only reasonable use for such an association with bodies that have similar views but incompatible on the area of Sacraments might be to endeavor to secure health and other benefits for clergy and to support common seminaries and publishing houses because without those we are all gone in a generation or so anyway.<BR/><BR/>Reaching is reaching. Paul reached out in many directions, that is the Gospel imperative. It is one thing to reach out it is another to speak for others as a leader and say something to the effect that 'sorry we were all wrong and we have your catechism'. That is a classic case of leading by running ahead of the crowd and walking out in front and making a spectacle of one's self. <BR/><BR/> The problem is that kind of leader will continue to walk in that tangent while the crowd adjusts course behind him.John Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08740471734843352544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-85377463275429113922008-02-21T22:19:00.000-05:002008-02-21T22:19:00.000-05:00Still, the proposed TAC "union" with Rome is shrou...Still, the proposed TAC "union" with Rome is shrouded in mist, and whenever one is asked what is on the other side of the mist the answer is simply "trust in your bishops. . ." <BR/><BR/>It is not unusual for TAC publications to refer to the Roman Church as "the Catholic Church," for I think many of the leaders of TAC believe it to be so. Also, the implication of the article is that Anglicanism can be reduced to the use of the Book of Common Prayer and having married priests. If this be all that the Church of England once stood for, then indeed there is no reason at all for the remnant of the TAC to submit to Rome. It would be better that they fall from the fence to one side or the other. With one hand their American branch signs onto FACA and affirms the Articles, with the other hand the TAC bishops sign the Roman catechism (which is sometimes denied and sometimes proudly affirmed, and then if affirmed nobody knows exactly what it really meant). If this is the true state of affairs, at some point both hands must realize they are reaching in opposite directions.Rev. Dr. Hasserthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350737386756722887noreply@blogger.com