tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post1413107488774389874..comments2024-03-24T15:19:06.377-04:00Comments on The Continuum: FarewellFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-73045223484400241802008-11-17T14:10:00.000-05:002008-11-17T14:10:00.000-05:00Fr. Kirby,The widow of the late John Cahoun receiv...Fr. Kirby,<BR/><BR/>The widow of the late John Cahoun receives by permission of the ACC and the RCC in an RC parish in Gettysburg, Pa.<BR/><BR/>I had two parishioners who lived in Turkey for many years and received communion in a Roman parish again by mutual agreement between the Diocese of the South, ACC and the Roman Church in Turkey.<BR/><BR/>My bringing up these facts is in no way a criticism of Albion Land, but simply meant to demonstrate that under certain conditions Anglican Catholics may receive communion in a Roman parish. The Roman Church has been very generous in extending Eucharistic hospitality in the instances of which I am aware.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>John+Fr. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097549748468739701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-2100665191602852662008-11-15T17:08:00.000-05:002008-11-15T17:08:00.000-05:00I just deleted two comments, apparently from the s...I just deleted two comments, apparently from the same person, who did not give any identification whatever. They were substanceless potshots taken at ACC (not my jusrisdiction, incidentally, nor my favorite) revealing no more than that someone anonymous has a sour attitude. Sniping from ambush is just not appropriate here, especially in a thread bidding sad farewell to a good friend.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-7607086344957779572008-11-14T16:20:00.000-05:002008-11-14T16:20:00.000-05:00Albion, You were keeping good company in Ss. Alban...Albion, You were keeping good company in Ss. Alban & Sergius. Katherine Schori's mother, also an Episcopalian convert to Orthodoxy was a member. Welcome, may God bless you.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536079575268346168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-62657428369590559642008-11-13T18:26:00.000-05:002008-11-13T18:26:00.000-05:00Gentlemen,AFAIK, the central and perennial positio...Gentlemen,<BR/><BR/>AFAIK, the central and perennial positions of both Rome and the East its they reject us RELATIVELY, which implies that they accept us relatively too.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, each of the BIG TWO believe that, to some degree, we lack the fullness of the faith -- hence their self-profess appellations Cahtolic and Orthodox. But, that does not mean that believe us to be null-and-void regarding the Mystical Body of Christ.<BR/><BR/>Though I know of no contemporary consensus statement from the East or from Rome ruling directly upon Anglicans in the Chamber's Succession (a/k/a the Continuum), my personal guess is that, were either ever to take the time investigate such a tiny group of jurisdictions as ours and make pronouncements in "sobornost," both Rome and Orthodoxy would find us to be at worst schimatics and at best "parasynagues," to use the terminology of the Basilian Canons.<BR/><BR/>All in all, this would mean that both might accept our Orders upon conditionally re-ordination or with a simple confession of faith; they might accept our sacraments in case of grave necessity or only when very convenient; and likewise, they might admit us to their sacraments upon grave necessity or when very convenient for us--all as acts of Christian Charity and without repudiating their mutually-exclusive claims to fullness.<BR/><BR/>In sum, Rome and the East are very skeptical of Anglicanism in general (and who can blame them?), and probably would be less so with the Continuum were they as whole even knowledgeable of existence! I assure you that most yaya's and babushkas have never heard of us and don't really care, being more concerned with the evil of the day.<BR/><BR/>* * * * *<BR/><BR/>As for Albion, he has told us as much as desires to, and has responded to Billy's question in the way he wanted. So, let's let it rest and, in Christian Charity, let's respect Albion privacy. <BR/><BR/>He made no blanket pronouncement against the Continuum and, as Frs. Hart and Kirby have explained, no such pronouncement is implicit in his move to Orthodoxy (nor would it be for a move to Rome either!)<BR/><BR/>So there is nothing further to dispute or discuss here.<BR/><BR/>Christ's Peace,<BR/><BR/>MDNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-68692896509188964952008-11-13T17:25:00.000-05:002008-11-13T17:25:00.000-05:00BillyHW:Do they reject us? If you think so, then y...BillyHW:<BR/><BR/>Do they reject us? If you think so, then you must have failed to read Fr. Kirby's comment in the "gotcha" article. I suggest you read it, and read again the Christmas letter from Alexandria, 1930.<BR/><BR/>Your version of reality is an illusion.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-34974712513681486392008-11-13T17:07:00.000-05:002008-11-13T17:07:00.000-05:00But, we don't reject them.But they reject you. At...<B>But, we don't reject them.</B><BR/><BR/>But they reject you. At least that was my understanding.BillyHWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04051053155746071680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-15175327046341489242008-11-13T08:49:00.000-05:002008-11-13T08:49:00.000-05:00BillyHW,It is not true that in becoming Eastern Or...BillyHW,<BR/><BR/>It is not true that in becoming Eastern Orthodox Albion is forced to pronounce <I>ex fide</I> that both the RCC and the Continuing Anglican Churches are definitely schismatic and heretical and outside the Catholic Church. I have addressed this in a more recent thread, namely, "A Worn Out Gotcha".<BR/><BR/>Albion,<BR/><BR/>My apologies for not saying anything earlier. As you know, I don't check my email or the site as often as I should! God bless you in this new direction. Since we see ourselves as Western Orthodox, this causes us no grief, though we will miss you. While I believe that Anglican Catholics have the right to establish congregations wherever English colonies and "original" missions have been established and/or already present Catholic jurisdictions do not accept resident Anglicans to Communion, I can not and do not object to you joining the local "natural" Catholic jurisdition.<BR/><BR/>It is essential that at this point I thank you for all you have done in setting up this weblog and helping it become what it is today. I am personally very grateful that you allowed me to be a part of this. We owe you a great deal. I hope we can meet "in the flesh" someday (before the final judgement and resurrection I mean!).Fr Matthew Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386951752314314095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-14224298458810500302008-11-13T02:05:00.000-05:002008-11-13T02:05:00.000-05:00I wanted to leave a comment about what Fr.Hart sai...I wanted to leave a comment about what Fr.Hart said about Cyprus, but after a dozen attempts I gave up and posted it here: http://rkbrookescyp.blogspot.com/Rkbrookescyphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075464669551323299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-32562418067756031882008-11-13T00:58:00.000-05:002008-11-13T00:58:00.000-05:00Billy HW wrote:...a communion which rejects Anglic...Billy HW wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>...a communion which rejects Anglicanism's orthodoxy outright and requires belief in its own exclusive orthodoxy.</I><BR/><BR/>But, <I>we</I> don't reject <I>them.</I> Anglican-Orthodox relations could have a future if they would stop wasting their time with Canterbury and talk to us instead.<BR/><BR/>As for Albion, what is he supposed to do in Cyprus? Not be part of the Church? Not have sacraments? You really have no clue about traditional Anglican ecclesiology.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-76398446154014788482008-11-12T20:12:00.000-05:002008-11-12T20:12:00.000-05:00Dear Albion, May the Lord be with you on your jou...Dear Albion,<BR/><BR/> May the Lord be with you on your journey.<BR/><BR/>Tom McHenry+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-88665043158919185782008-11-12T19:45:00.000-05:002008-11-12T19:45:00.000-05:00The founder of this blog, created to defend and pr...The founder of this blog, created to defend and promote Continuing Anglicanism and its orthodoxy, has chosen to leave it for the Orthodox Church, a communion which rejects Anglicanism's orthodoxy outright and requires belief in its own exclusive orthodoxy.<BR/><BR/>I don't think it is at all out of line to ask for an explanation, when time allows, and in an appropriate manner. It is frankly warranted.<BR/><BR/>This request is not out of mean-spiritedness, but rather out of genuine fascination and curiosity.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this blog would not be an appropriate venue, but surely Albion Land can post his story somewhere appropriate.BillyHWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04051053155746071680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-6899052363957639282008-11-12T17:59:00.000-05:002008-11-12T17:59:00.000-05:00Our friend Albion has found it necessary to make a...Our friend Albion has found it necessary to make a difficult decision, and, having done so has quietly anounced that he is moving on. He has not challenged anyone else, nor attacked anyone else's stand in such matters, but has withdrawn in a spirit of blessing and friendship. Mean-spirited challenges on a public board are simply not proper behavior.<BR/><BR/>Albion, we bless you in your changes, as we recognize that you wish to bless us. Godspeed.<BR/><BR/>edpoetreaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613032927883843078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-53557165317184553192008-11-12T10:17:00.000-05:002008-11-12T10:17:00.000-05:00I can only second Father Hart's comment since I ha...I can only second Father Hart's comment since I have come the other way. But in a place where one expression of the Church Universal has been from the beginning, it is wise to stay that way. God speed with all blessings.Canon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-86144159304144109232008-11-12T03:56:00.000-05:002008-11-12T03:56:00.000-05:00What kind of a strange question is that? If I leav...<B>What kind of a strange question is that? If I leave Cyprus I will continue to be Orthodox and will worship in an Orthodox church.</B><BR/><BR/>It wasn't a strange question at all. So you would not again become a Continuing Anglican? Do you now believe that Continuing Anglicanism is incorrect somehow or not part of the true Church?BillyHWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04051053155746071680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-53943968191937798472008-11-11T17:49:00.000-05:002008-11-11T17:49:00.000-05:00In Cyprus the Church is the Orthodox Church, and s...In Cyprus the Church is the Orthodox Church, and so it has been since the beginning. The only Anglican thing to do, if you live in Cyprus, is to become Orthodox so that you may have the fellowship of the Church and receive the sacraments. To build something different would destroy the innocence of the place, that is, a region that has known only one Church since forever.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-71369366352111337712008-11-11T14:20:00.000-05:002008-11-11T14:20:00.000-05:00God speed, my friend. Ut unum sint.God speed, my friend. <I>Ut unum sint.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-85997931186911284272008-11-11T11:26:00.000-05:002008-11-11T11:26:00.000-05:00As for myself and blogging, fate would have it tha...As for myself and blogging, fate would have it that I created a second blog nearly two years ago. φιλοκαλειν (Filokalein) has been dormant ever since, but I shall probably activate it now. Anyone interested can reach it by clicking on the link in the sidebar.Albion Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14423168351697120421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-13539809586231570452008-11-11T09:52:00.000-05:002008-11-11T09:52:00.000-05:00May God bless you in your journey. May your soul f...May God bless you in your journey. May your soul find its home.<BR/><BR/>Please consider continuing to write about your spiritual journey, elsewhere, if not here.mousestalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640977915382623244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-81440955775655535952008-11-11T03:50:00.000-05:002008-11-11T03:50:00.000-05:00Thanks so much to all of you for your kind and enc...Thanks so much to all of you for your kind and encouraging words. I will continue to be a reader of The Continuum, and an occasional commenter.<BR/><BR/>To those many of you who have sent me private messages, bear with me as I sort through them and find the time to respond.<BR/><BR/>God bless you all!<BR/><BR/>Billy HW:<BR/><BR/>What kind of a strange question is that? If I leave Cyprus I will continue to be Orthodox and will worship in an Orthodox church.Albion Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14423168351697120421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-87362011358511078892008-11-10T22:52:00.000-05:002008-11-10T22:52:00.000-05:00Well done.Well done.Fr William Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09807139722072520023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-89725545929707099312008-11-10T21:32:00.000-05:002008-11-10T21:32:00.000-05:00In my splendid isolation here on Cyprus, I have fo...<B>In my splendid isolation here on Cyprus, I have found it impossible to live the life of continuing Anglicanism effectively and sacramentally. I cannot continue to live this way...As a consequence, I have resolved to seek instruction in the Orthodox faith with a view to eventually being received into the Church of Cyprus.</B><BR/><BR/>So what are you going to do then when you leave Cyprus?BillyHWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04051053155746071680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-74987617094232446722008-11-10T21:08:00.000-05:002008-11-10T21:08:00.000-05:00Welcome home. May God grant you many years. Antioc...Welcome home. May God grant you many years. Antiochian OrthodoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-57218285114691010092008-11-10T20:33:00.000-05:002008-11-10T20:33:00.000-05:00Best wishes to you, Mr. Land."We shall not cease f...Best wishes to you, Mr. Land.<BR/><BR/>"We shall not cease from exploration<BR/>And the end of all our exploring<BR/>Will be to arrive where we started<BR/>And know the place for the first time."<BR/><BR/>- T.S. Eliot, "Little Gidding"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-3733492822008024592008-11-10T19:47:00.000-05:002008-11-10T19:47:00.000-05:00Albion- MANY YEARS! The Christian ad...Albion-<BR/> MANY YEARS!<BR/> The Christian adventure in Orthodoxy will salve your wounds, I am sure. You must report in after a time to let everyone know how you are doing.<BR/> Being Orthodox from an Anglican background (esp. if you were 'high' or Anglo-Catholic)will not be a difficult transition I think.<BR/> May the prayers of the All Holy Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary with All the Saints and Martyrs ease and giude you.Matthew the Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220331930608361238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-59448024914724025132008-11-10T19:16:00.000-05:002008-11-10T19:16:00.000-05:00Dear Albion, my brother in Christ. The Continuum h...Dear Albion, my brother in Christ. The Continuum has been a great blessing to many. Thank you for undertaking and enduring this project!<BR/><BR/>There are many former Anglicans in Orthodoxy. I'm not sure about the Church in Cyprus, but you will probably find fellowship with other sojourners from Anglicanism. As one who has made that journey, I welcome you. There are no perfect churches - even Orthodox monks brawl in these troubled times. But there is perfection in Christ and He is our ground of being and our destiny. I look forward to meeting you in heaven!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.com