tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post114751348645402772..comments2024-02-04T15:10:18.485-05:00Comments on The Continuum: Read a 2001 interview with Archbishop MorseFr. Robert Harthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-3602862945085533182016-06-25T19:34:33.597-04:002016-06-25T19:34:33.597-04:00It appears that Virtue's interview of Abhp Mor...It appears that Virtue's interview of Abhp Morse+ is here: <br /><br />http://listserv.virtueonline.org/pipermail/virtueonline_listserv.virtueonline.org/2001-December/003013.htmlHugh McCannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03267834741936303800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147762738932981042006-05-16T02:58:00.000-04:002006-05-16T02:58:00.000-04:00Thank you for that clarification and information, ...Thank you for that clarification and information, Fr Hart.<BR/><BR/>The impression I had was due to the distinction that was made between his Diocese, as "committed to the catholic position" and the rest, since he describes the four originals as operating from "four basic positions", implying a theological difference between himself and Bp Mote if taken literally. However, it appears likely from what you have said that I am being too "picky" in my interpretation.Fr Matthew Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386951752314314095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147746255329525752006-05-15T22:24:00.000-04:002006-05-15T22:24:00.000-04:00I see these comments are not dated. One week ago t...I see these comments are not dated. One week ago today means Monday, May 8th, 2006.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147714090281077902006-05-15T13:28:00.000-04:002006-05-15T13:28:00.000-04:00If I look at what what was said in the interview, ...If I look at what what was said in the interview, I don't see the Archbishop saying all the others were Protestants or Papists. One was very Protetstant, and one did become Roman Catholic. But, I think he was referring to Bishop Mote with these words: "one was an English romantic (a green fields of England type)." That is neither positive or negative, and indicates a memory of personal knowledge. One week ago today, Archbishop Morse said to me that he has no theological disagreement with the ACC. In what I have heard from clergy in the Province in general, the comments about the ACC tend to be positive.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147713629447262122006-05-15T13:20:00.000-04:002006-05-15T13:20:00.000-04:00Fr. Hart,Great news, and thanks for the update! Y...Fr. Hart,<BR/><BR/>Great news, and thanks for the update! You might drop a note to the webmaster to get that updated, as that is how many people do their locating these days. You probably have more pull than I would. ;)<BR/><BR/>AlanAlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01356484053240705425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147713153392006622006-05-15T13:12:00.000-04:002006-05-15T13:12:00.000-04:00The brochure is way out of date. At the last count...The brochure is way out of date. At the last count that i heard, we are up to 81 parishes and missions.Fr. Robert Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892141425033196616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147713070281548592006-05-15T13:11:00.000-04:002006-05-15T13:11:00.000-04:00I have been looking at the APKC, particularly as t...I have been looking at the APKC, particularly as they have a new plant near where I live. On their web site, they list 57 parishes if you look under All States. From that interview, Archbishop Morse is quoted as saying "We have five bishops, about 70 congregations in total and more than 15,000 congregants." That was 5 years ago. I am really, really not playing "gotcha" here, but I was wondering at the apparent contradicion for what is called "one of the fastest growing Anglican provinces" in the same interview. DV does great work, but sometimes the details get missed.<BR/><BR/>AlanAlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01356484053240705425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147686839107925322006-05-15T05:53:00.000-04:002006-05-15T05:53:00.000-04:00One disappointing aspect of the interview was the ...One disappointing aspect of the interview was the disparaging references by Abp Morse to the other 3 bishops first consecrated. The implication that he was the only Anglo-Catholic among them, the rest being Protestant or Papist was demonstrably false, as was the implication that he was the only one left at the time of the interview in a Continuing Church.<BR/><BR/>One of those other 3 was Bp Mote, God rest his soul, who only very recently passed away. Bp Mote was a Franciscan Tertiary and, when he could still drive, I am told used to pull out his Rosary Beads on a road trip and announce to the passenger that they would now say the Rosary together. This practice, along with certain other features of his driving style, apparently made these trips very interesting indeed! :-)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, all who actually spent any time with him and knew the man would laugh at the notion he was anything but Catholic.Fr Matthew Kirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386951752314314095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147654680629848882006-05-14T20:58:00.000-04:002006-05-14T20:58:00.000-04:00Kevin,I've heard our (APCK) bishop state several t...Kevin,<BR/><BR/>I've heard our (APCK) bishop state several times that there are conversations being conducted, but that it is not time yet for anything to be made public. An unsatisfying answer, to be sure, but one can imagine the situation.Continuing Homehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241314825274530020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147569587392096842006-05-13T21:19:00.000-04:002006-05-13T21:19:00.000-04:00Archbishop Morse has been interested in Swedish Ch...Archbishop Morse has been interested in Swedish Church affairs since the 1950s. However, the last paragraph seems to confuse the "Free Synod" with the "Mission Province." The "Free Synod" is/was the Swedish equivalent of the "Episcopal Synod of America" back in the days before it affiliated with Forward-in-Faith. Effectively, it is today in a state of collapse or moribundity: a large proportion of its members seem, tacitly or explicitly, to have the view that "under no circumstances shall we ever leave the Church of Sweden" and have stuck to that view. Moreover, the patron and guide of the Free Synod, Bertil Gartner (b. 1924), Bishop of Gothenburg from 1970 to 1991 (and the last Swedish Lutheran bishop not to ordain women), although he more than once approached the breaking point with the CofS, especially in the years immediately following his retirement, eventually decided not, not ever, to do so, and is now seriously ailing.<BR/><BR/>The "Mission Province," on the other hand, does consist of a number of "free parishes" served by Church of Sweden clergy, or by Swedes ordained aboroad by Lutheran bishops in Balarus or Ingria (who were refused ordination in Sweden because of their opposition to WO). However, most of the clergy and laity in the MP are profoundly conservative Confessionalist Lutherans, with no attraction to Angicanism and certainly not to "Roman" Catholicism, Anglo-Catholicism or even American-style Lutheran "Evangelical Catholicism." The MP does contain a small penumbra of "Swedish Catholics" (the Swedish equivalent of Anglo-Catholics), but when the third bishop of the MP Goran Beijer, a "Swedish Catholic," was consecrated a few weeks ago (the first, Arne Olsson, is a Confessionalist Lutheran and the second, Lars Artman, more of a pietist Evangelical) it is significant that among his consecrators was a Norwegian Lutheran "synod president" (not even a bishop in name), Ulf Asp, while the Continuing Anglican bishop present, Paul Hewett ( a presonal friend of Beijer), was not able (tho' willing) to join in the layong-on of hands, but only gave a blessing subsequently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18902745.post-1147528217669163022006-05-13T09:50:00.000-04:002006-05-13T09:50:00.000-04:00From the last two paragraphs . . . Since this inte...From the last two paragraphs . . . <BR/><BR/><EM>Since this interview was conducted, the APCK has been in talks with the<BR/>Swedish Free Synod . . . These emerging parishes are entirely separate<BR/>from the Church of Sweden. Some Free Synod parishes will be able to<BR/>work overtly and also under cover with an emerging missionary diocese.<BR/><BR/>The APCK is also opening up conversations with the Nordic Catholic<BR/>Church. The Nordic Catholic Church is working towards having a local<BR/>bishop, and be an independent sister church to the Polish National<BR/>Catholic Church, to Forward in Faith-UK and to the APCK.</EM><BR/><BR/>So what's happened since 2001?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com